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	<title>Comments on: Seattle Has Just Raised It&#8217;s Minimum Wage &#8211; The Highest In The U.S.</title>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2014 16:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ralph#15, Alas, that&#039;s way too simplistic. It would be impossible for government to get the hell out of our lives and let the free marker reign. Why? it&#039;s the government that provides the institutions that make the &quot;free&quot; market possible. 

Government mints or prints the medium of exchange, government courts enforce contracts, armed government-employed police protect private property, armed government military forces serve as collection agents for multinational corporations...and on and on.

Also, government has in this country consistently intervened in &quot;free&quot; market affairs--and always takes the side of the corporation, never the side of the little guys who pay their taxes. The entire chain of national guard armories that dot this nation was established as a result of the general strike of 1877; police, militia, even the army have intervened in labor disputes virtually thousands of times--and every single time they have allied themselves with the corporate owners. Yes, every single time. 

In particular, at those times in our history when the capitalist system was preceived to be in danger of being replaced by something else that might actually work, the government has &quot;entered the discussion&quot; in a very big way: 

think of the post -WWI suppression of civil liberties during the first Red Scare, the token rights granted to labor in the 1930s (but which also effectively removed the strike as a weapon), the second Red Scare following WWII--and of course the vicious response to the Occupy movement just recently. 

So, yes, if the government had ever pursued a hands-off policy, wages and working conditions in this country would in all likelihood be far better than they are today in what has historically been the most repressive of all of the modern industrialized nations...

Since the Powell Memo of forty-odd years ago, corporate owners have invested a lot of money in hopes of getting the relatively simple-minded among us to accept as an article of faith that &quot;everyone does better if the government gets out of our lives and the free market system is allowed to reign.&quot; 

They want this because government is the only possible counterbalance to their immense power, and their PR is slick enough to get an awful lot of folks to mouth these &quot;truths&quot; in the simple belief that these are their own ideas--and to vote against their own interests. 

Meanwhile, nobody seems to be in any hurry to end the massive subsidies government shovels into all the &quot;free&quot; enterprise corporations--even as these corporations all whine about the terrible government intervention in their businesses.

Sorry to hear that in at least one case, obviously, this propaganda effort has paid off!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ralph#15, Alas, that&#8217;s way too simplistic. It would be impossible for government to get the hell out of our lives and let the free marker reign. Why? it&#8217;s the government that provides the institutions that make the &#8220;free&#8221; market possible. </p>
<p>Government mints or prints the medium of exchange, government courts enforce contracts, armed government-employed police protect private property, armed government military forces serve as collection agents for multinational corporations&#8230;and on and on.</p>
<p>Also, government has in this country consistently intervened in &#8220;free&#8221; market affairs&#8211;and always takes the side of the corporation, never the side of the little guys who pay their taxes. The entire chain of national guard armories that dot this nation was established as a result of the general strike of 1877; police, militia, even the army have intervened in labor disputes virtually thousands of times&#8211;and every single time they have allied themselves with the corporate owners. Yes, every single time. </p>
<p>In particular, at those times in our history when the capitalist system was preceived to be in danger of being replaced by something else that might actually work, the government has &#8220;entered the discussion&#8221; in a very big way: </p>
<p>think of the post -WWI suppression of civil liberties during the first Red Scare, the token rights granted to labor in the 1930s (but which also effectively removed the strike as a weapon), the second Red Scare following WWII&#8211;and of course the vicious response to the Occupy movement just recently. </p>
<p>So, yes, if the government had ever pursued a hands-off policy, wages and working conditions in this country would in all likelihood be far better than they are today in what has historically been the most repressive of all of the modern industrialized nations&#8230;</p>
<p>Since the Powell Memo of forty-odd years ago, corporate owners have invested a lot of money in hopes of getting the relatively simple-minded among us to accept as an article of faith that &#8220;everyone does better if the government gets out of our lives and the free market system is allowed to reign.&#8221; </p>
<p>They want this because government is the only possible counterbalance to their immense power, and their PR is slick enough to get an awful lot of folks to mouth these &#8220;truths&#8221; in the simple belief that these are their own ideas&#8211;and to vote against their own interests. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, nobody seems to be in any hurry to end the massive subsidies government shovels into all the &#8220;free&#8221; enterprise corporations&#8211;even as these corporations all whine about the terrible government intervention in their businesses.</p>
<p>Sorry to hear that in at least one case, obviously, this propaganda effort has paid off!</p>
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		<title>By: Bosky</title>
		<link>http://blog.michellemoquin.net/?p=21019#comment-115319</link>
		<dc:creator>Bosky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2014 16:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ralph#15, You are like most republicans who claim to know a lot about something they know nothing about. 

Study a little 19th century labor history. You will discover unregulated capitalism drove impoverished workers to communism and fascism. It was the democratic left that made communism unnecessary--when you&#039;ve got livable wages, health care and pensions, who needs communism?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ralph#15, You are like most republicans who claim to know a lot about something they know nothing about. </p>
<p>Study a little 19th century labor history. You will discover unregulated capitalism drove impoverished workers to communism and fascism. It was the democratic left that made communism unnecessary&#8211;when you&#8217;ve got livable wages, health care and pensions, who needs communism?</p>
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		<title>By: Underwood</title>
		<link>http://blog.michellemoquin.net/?p=21019#comment-115318</link>
		<dc:creator>Underwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2014 16:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Emily #14, People like Ralph, other than thinking name-calling is a talent, also seems to think that a person should have to work 3 jobs to support their family, or starve. Employers should not pay for the work they receive., Employers should not pay the people who make them rich. 

What would those &quot;ignorant people&quot; to use Ralloh&#039;s term, figure out that without the workers, you have no riches. They haven&#039;t figured that out yet though. They think they can continue to use and abuse and the &#039;labor&#039; will alway be there, after all, people DO have to support themselves, so if they have no OTHER choice but to accept completely inappropriate wages for what they do, they have to. 

And if minimum wage is kept to that level, the richey riches think they win. But they don&#039;t. Eventually they will all be homeless and not be able to even GET to your stinking job offer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emily #14, People like Ralph, other than thinking name-calling is a talent, also seems to think that a person should have to work 3 jobs to support their family, or starve. Employers should not pay for the work they receive., Employers should not pay the people who make them rich. </p>
<p>What would those &#8220;ignorant people&#8221; to use Ralloh&#8217;s term, figure out that without the workers, you have no riches. They haven&#8217;t figured that out yet though. They think they can continue to use and abuse and the &#8216;labor&#8217; will alway be there, after all, people DO have to support themselves, so if they have no OTHER choice but to accept completely inappropriate wages for what they do, they have to. </p>
<p>And if minimum wage is kept to that level, the richey riches think they win. But they don&#8217;t. Eventually they will all be homeless and not be able to even GET to your stinking job offer.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay</title>
		<link>http://blog.michellemoquin.net/?p=21019#comment-115317</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2014 16:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem is that many of the uneducated and many of the illegal immigrants who have moved to the emerald city don&#039;t stop at a small family. They feel entitled and have no shame about having the taxpayer subsidize the education healthcare and housing of their children. The poor will always be with us so why should I be forced to subsidize their lifestyle and lack of family planning?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that many of the uneducated and many of the illegal immigrants who have moved to the emerald city don&#8217;t stop at a small family. They feel entitled and have no shame about having the taxpayer subsidize the education healthcare and housing of their children. The poor will always be with us so why should I be forced to subsidize their lifestyle and lack of family planning?</p>
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		<title>By: Underwood</title>
		<link>http://blog.michellemoquin.net/?p=21019#comment-115315</link>
		<dc:creator>Underwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2014 16:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Finally! I bet they end up with far fewer needing to be on the &#039;dole&#039; too. It is absolutely unconscionable when a person can work full time to support their family and STILL fall well under the poverty line!! And this will not even put a dent in the shareholder&#039;s balance sheets. 

Other than potentially increasing them because happy employees mean they bring in more customers! Imagine a well run Wal Mart with clean isles and stocked shelves and employees smiling and helping you. Hard to imagine? Yes, but that is what a bit of a wage increase could do! Hopefully a similar change will happen in Seattle!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally! I bet they end up with far fewer needing to be on the &#8216;dole&#8217; too. It is absolutely unconscionable when a person can work full time to support their family and STILL fall well under the poverty line!! And this will not even put a dent in the shareholder&#8217;s balance sheets. </p>
<p>Other than potentially increasing them because happy employees mean they bring in more customers! Imagine a well run Wal Mart with clean isles and stocked shelves and employees smiling and helping you. Hard to imagine? Yes, but that is what a bit of a wage increase could do! Hopefully a similar change will happen in Seattle!</p>
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