Update on New Mexico’s Misuse of Deadly Force
Posted by Michelle Moquin on November 21st, 2013
Good morning!
I figured since this was such a hot topic a few days ago and it made the news on MSNBC, it felt it was worthy of another post. This video shows a more complete version of what we all saw in the other video, and in case anyone is not clear about the law, and is interested in knowing, this will clear it up for you.
From The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell.
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November 21st, 2013 at 5:46 pm
Hi Misch, awesome feedback, my RE agent calls this place the ‘cirque de soleil’ of Zen with a Euro touch (whatever the hell that means!) although if someone would just add a swing from the high ceiling I’m sure it’d be the coolest house in town, so glad I didn’t fall for the rap of one realtor who told me to redo everything beige bc that’s what people want. Ha! What they want may be beige but that’s only until they see what you can do with tastefully placed color, da ‘wow’ factor ; )
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November 21st, 2013 at 9:01 pm
I can only say thugs with badges is letting those criminals off lightly.
November 21st, 2013 at 9:09 pm
Editor’s note: Oriana Farrell of Tennessee submitted a handwritten op-ed piece shortly after her Oct. 28 arrest via an acquaintance.
The Taos News does not publish op-ed pieces on open legal cases. But given the national attention focused on her case, in which a state police officer shot at her vehicle as she fled a traffic stop, we have decide to publish it unedited.
After witnessing uniformed police officers fire shots at a van carrying my five children, I have learned that the value of their lives only matters so much as criminal charges against me are concerned. A uniformed officer can shoot three bullets at my van and be considered to be “doing his job”, but my doing what I can to get my own children away from such a terrifying individual has been termed “child abuse” and “endangerment,” according to New Mexico law.
An officer can use a baton to smash a glass window directly into the faces of my four young sons who were riding in the backseat, but somehow my attempts to protect them from further harm are dismissed because the perpetrator wore an official “state uniform,” and has been hired to “protect and serve.”
The media has been given authority to defame my character and to erroneously report partial facts pertaining to my case because an officer of the law was said to be “doing his job.” Injustice at its best.
For the past 16 years of my life, I have devoted my everyday to parenting and to educating my wonderful children. Anyone who knows me will tell you this. I graduated my daughter from high school at the age of 15 as her home educator. I have educated all five of my children for the duration of their educational journey. I have shaped my entire life around their well-being.
Serving and protecting them is something that I do naturally — without pay. Being a “peace officer” is who and what I have been out of my obligation and responsibility as a parent. Law enforcement — I do that too within our unit every day.
As a single, African-American mother of five in this country, things are tough enough I should not have to endure harassment at the hands of someone who has been hired to protect the citizens of this land over an alleged “speeding offense.” No one should.
As a tourist who came to Taos, New Mexico, with the intention of supporting the wonderful sights and offerings of this city, I should not sit in jail right now for continuing to do the best by my children as their mother.
There are hundreds of people across the world who can attest to the great commitment I have to the health, well-being, and safety of my children. I am considered a mothering mentor to many, and a model parent to most.
This realization did not come at the hands of my incarceration, this is the reality of my life. So much so, that even in the Taos Adult Detention Center, the women view me as an encouraging mother/sister figure who loves on and cares about even those who society unfairly casts aside.
I write none of these things to pat myself on the back, rather to paint a true and accurate picture of who I really am — not what a system that knows nothing about me portrays me to be.
Ask the superintendent of Memphis City Schools who I am. Or you can inquire about my person from the many Memphis City Police chaplains that I have worked alongside in various capacities.
You can always speak with the families of the homeschool groups that I have run, as well as the many community service agencies I have worked and implemented programs with. Any number of these individuals will tell you that I am a most loving, caring and peaceful person who helps others daily, and that my own children are at the top of that list.
I hope that someone reads this editorial and comes to know more about the real me, and not the one misportrayed and demonized by the Taos media. I hope that someone takes the time to think about how this ordeal is affecting myself, and most importantly my children. They do not deserve this and neither do I.
I hope that the city of Taos chooses to be fair in judgment of this situation, and that a light be shed on the true injustices of this horrifying nightmare.
Finally, I speak a word of peace to the officers and other officials involved. It is my prayer that your families never be made to endure that which mine has, as a result of this terrible situation. May you never be put in a position to protect your children from your “own kind.”
November 21st, 2013 at 9:11 pm
Zen Lill count your blessing that you don’t have to endure driving while black. If you had to spend a minute in my shoes while driving when you see a cops car behind you, even if he is just passing you would be terrified.
Cops kill more blacks than cancer.
November 21st, 2013 at 9:13 pm
She absolutely did the wrong thing. She put her children’s lives in danger. She should have listened to the police.
The police should not shoot at a van of children over what began as a traffic stop.
If I had made the same mistakes as Ms Ferrell and now the police were breaking my windows, I would drive off also to protect my children from them. Then they compound their action by shooting at a car with my children.
Yes the police were doing their job, but shooting at a van full of children should not be one of them. They were not in danger, they were the danger.
November 21st, 2013 at 9:15 pm
“Reckless driving is not a reason to start shooting,” Eterno said. “You could have let them go and found them anyway.”
November 21st, 2013 at 9:17 pm
State police Chief Pete Kassetas said in a news release Monday that he has “concerns relating to the conduct of the officer who discharged his firearm. … I will take appropriate disciplinary action if warranted.”
If warranted? The SCOTUS says shooting at a fleeing van that is not endangering the lives of the officers is illegal.
November 21st, 2013 at 9:19 pm
It’s a white wash.
Eighth Judicial District Attorney Donald Gallegos said Tuesday he has no plans file any charges against the officers involved. “If I have evidence the officers committed a crime, I’ll charge them,” he said in a telephone interview. “I don’t have any evidence.”
Yeah, nothing but the Supreme Court saying that the cop illegal shot at the van. Never mind that it had five children in it. After all they were black.
November 21st, 2013 at 9:20 pm
Tennessee v. Garner, a 1985 U.S. Supreme Court decision that ruled deadly force cannot be used against a fleeing, unarmed driver unless that person poses a threat to the officer or the public at large.
November 21st, 2013 at 9:21 pm
“Where was the threat to officers? I just don’t see it. It’s an inappropriate use of force.”
November 21st, 2013 at 9:23 pm
O’Donnell, a former police officer with the New York Police Department, said “there’s no justification” to fire at a moving vehicle in such a case. O’Donnell also stressed that in many jurisdictions, officers would not have engaged in a high-speed chase after Ferrell fled a second time.
“They could wait and get her at her home,” O’Donnell said. “Why did they think she had to be taken into custody then and there?”
November 21st, 2013 at 9:26 pm
The fucking judge is threatening the mother that if she files charges against the police they will lock her up and send her children to their abusive father in Atlanta.
It’s just their jUStice at work.
November 21st, 2013 at 9:29 pm
Stupidity should be a Crime especially when exercised by our civil servants who are out there supposedly “to serve and protect” !! What happen to common sense but then again what do expect when we have “militatized” our police??
And given them unspoken permission to treat citizens as “targets” to be neutralized, like with our drones !! America is SICK !
November 21st, 2013 at 9:33 pm
I’m with Zen Lill. As a Christian I believe this woman deserves to suffer the consequences for her actions. Her behavior is what escalated the situation. The officer gave her more than enough opportunities to do the right thing. She was obviously the one creating the trauma for her children.
I believe the officer that fired the shots was unaware there were children in the van because he had just arrived on the scene. Goodness people, place yourself in the role of the officers, how differently would you handle a crazy woman?
Log
November 21st, 2013 at 9:33 pm
They knew this was a speeding stop, and that the driver took off. They knew that she wasn’t an armed robber or a killer. They knew this because they have radios.
The shooting was stupid, and I hope the officer rots at a desk for a while. Good grief, she could just be stopped down the road, like she was.
November 21st, 2013 at 9:35 pm
I see nothing wrong until the shots were fired. He should hang for this.
November 21st, 2013 at 9:37 pm
If you don’t obey the commands of the police officer they should fire when ready. If a few of the kids get pooped it has thinned out the the defective gene pool to improve future generations.
Justified shooting, next case……………..
November 21st, 2013 at 9:39 pm
Really clown? You don’t see anything wrong with the lady driving off while the officer went back to his car? You don’t see anything wrong with the lady trying to run back to the driver seat after being stopped the second time in an attempt to flee again?
You don’t see anything wrong with a 14 year old getting out of the car and assaulting an officer? She put her children in that situation. She made the decision to run from the cops over a speeding ticket.
Sure, the officer that opened fire may have been overboard, but it appears that he was shooting at the tires. Since he had just arrived on scene it’s likely he had no idea there were children in the car.
November 21st, 2013 at 9:41 pm
it doesn’t matter what her background is, she did not use deadly force and the officers were not in danger of dying when SHE WAS TRYING TO LEAVE. the shooting isn’t justifiable.
November 21st, 2013 at 9:42 pm
What the woman did was 100% wrong. She should have never driven away, but the cop was completely out of line. You do not shoot at a car filled with children. He needs to be removed from the police force because he’s a killing waiting to happen.
November 21st, 2013 at 9:44 pm
If you want to see bad driving and Soccer Moms who drive SUV’s like an M1a1 Abrams just be within 3 blocks of a school when it lets out.
November 21st, 2013 at 9:45 pm
Dawg, “Sure, the officer that opened fire may have been overboard”
Your comment gets the award for the biggest understatement of the year. You do know it’s 2013 not 1803?
November 21st, 2013 at 9:46 pm
Why bother, the cop is always right and you are always wrong end of story. If officer friendly discharges a firearm it is justifiable, If you do you are the criminal. By the way they have no duty to act until a crime has been committed and then all Hell can break loose.
November 21st, 2013 at 9:47 pm
I’m surprised she didn’t play the race card.
November 21st, 2013 at 9:49 pm
Zen Lill, you were right. That 14 year old budding gangsta thug is LUCKY that cop didn’t bust a cap in his butt when he rushed him like that!
November 21st, 2013 at 9:50 pm
It looks like the van was carrying a gangsta family. Why didn’t the driver comply with the officer? why did she fled away? Was she on drug or had something illegal.
The adults in the van deserved the cop beat down. Sorry for younger kids growing up in a hysterical family with anti-social mentality.
The cops got to do their job and protect everyone involved. What if the adults pulled out guns and fired at the officers as it had happened before? They put their own kids in danger, not the cops.
November 21st, 2013 at 9:51 pm
The cop was most likely shooting at the tires to prevent the van from getting very far much like they use stop sticks.
Ever try firing a weapon at a moving vehicle…especially at such a small profile target like a tire??? It’s damn near impossible to hit, especially from behind. Kids in the car or no kids in the car, he was a total buffoon for even trying. It would have been really easy to miss and puncture the fuel tank or have an errant round go through the thin skin of the vehicle itself. Stupid move on his part.
November 21st, 2013 at 9:54 pm
1. The woman driver is an idiot. Clearly at fault, and I have zero sympathy for her.. 2. The first officer is also an idiot, and reflects very poor training, and poor self control. After the woman drove off on him the first time he should have
1. Waited for backup before leaving his vehicle, and not approached the van a second time.
2. He also should have advised dispatch of multiple minors as passengers. (Maybe he did..Unknown at this time.)
3. Using a loudspeaker..(If his car is equipped with one.) He should have instructed the driver to turn off the vehicle, and drop the keys outside the window. If he did not have a loudspeaker, then refer to 1.
4. Since he was stupid enough to engage the woman driver a second time. He should have apprehended her the moment he had her out of the van.
5. Knowing there were minors in the back seat of the van he still chose to use his baton to smash the back window, shattering glass over the children.. Again… He’s an idiot, and should be charged with reckless endangerment. The officer who fired shots on the van as the driver tried to flee a second time. This one is a little tougher because there are multiple variables.
1. It seems he just arrived on the scene, and perhaps was not aware of the presence of multiple children in the van. If he did not know this, then that is the fault of the first officer.
2. If he did know there were children present, and chose to use deadly force anyways, then he should be charged with 6 counts of reckless endangerment, and 6 counts of attempted murder. In either case, regardless of the presence of children he had no probable cause to use deadly force in the first place.
None of the other officers were in a life threatening situation at the time he opened fire. I do not see how he can make any claim of good faith, or qualified immunity.
3. The second officer seen here did know there were children in the van, and while the third officer is firing his weapon, it appears he is drawing his gun to open fire as well. That officer should just flat out be fired from the force for even considering to use deadly force at that time. but at least technically his only crime at that moment is being an idiot.
November 21st, 2013 at 9:56 pm
You NEVER fire your weapon unless you know who or what you’re firing at; AND who or what is behind your target. Firing at a vehicle after just arriving on the scene is irresponsible and negligent unless you know they are firing at officers or other innocent people.
Cops have guns to protect themselves, not to stop people from fleeing. There are numerous other methods for stopping a vehicle, such as spike strips, spinouts, road blocks, etc. Firing your weapon at the tires should never be the first step to stop them. This officer should lose his badge and his guns for this. He obviously doesn’t have what it takes to be a cop.
November 21st, 2013 at 9:57 pm
Some 30 years ago I was a police officer. I found that most officers are really there to protect and serve, but there was a small percentage that let the job go to their head. I honestly believe one guy I worked with wanted to shoot someone.
I worked there for seven years. He was the only officer in the department that ever fired his weapon in the line of duty. The exact number of rounds he fired escapes me, but I would say it was 10 to 12 in several incidents. Fortunately he was a bad shot. No one that he shot at deserved capital punishment, in fact, none of them were armed.
He eventually was fired but not for shooting at people. I still live in the same small town and am glad he is not around.
November 21st, 2013 at 9:58 pm
It seems that now a days to “protect and serve” means to the cops themselves. Where they in danger? Do they need lethal force in this situation? I bet that if it was a car full of white kids then there will be outrage. Cops need to be kept under control so they resort to lethal force only when they are in danger. These days, lethal force is the first choice for cops.
November 21st, 2013 at 9:58 pm
He heard all of the kids screaming and didn’t know if they were being kidnapped. How come he missed?
November 21st, 2013 at 10:00 pm
I agree that the cop who fired his gun three times and missed. Fire that bastard. He had a car full of niggers in a van and missed.
November 21st, 2013 at 10:00 pm
I normally refrain from stooping to the level of people such as yourselves.
But, in this case, I simply cannot help myself. You, sirs, are buffoons.
November 21st, 2013 at 10:01 pm
Zen Lill you were correct. This is NOT a Die Hard movie. You don’t “take out” the tires to keep someone from leaving because they were speeding when you stopped them. And didn’t the cop who stopped her first see the kids in the van? Even if, for some reason, the other cop as he was walking around the van, NOT see the kids, wouldn’t the first cop yell not to shoot because there are kids in the van?
The mother and the son, who I believe may have thought his mom WAS being hurt…I mean it IS his mom, should go to jail, however him maybe just a few days. Like I said, he was defending his mom, not trying to help her get away with anything. She’s an idiot…she endangered her kids, including the one who jumped the cop.
November 21st, 2013 at 10:04 pm
A case of stupidity all around. The bigger issue is that law officers are supposed to rise above stupidity, not one-up it. Shooting at a van full of kids? With no reason to believe arms are involved? What’s wrong with laying those tire shredding strips on the ground in front and behind the vehicle?
What’s wrong with talking some sense to the driver in a calm manner that explains, “Hey, it’s too late to undo what you have done, this is gonna’ go down no matter what and there is no way to escape this situation, so let’s just keep things cool for everybody’s safety.” Even smashing the windows was excessively violent in my book.
This video reminds me that I see two especially disturbing trends in our nation, among the many others:
1) Law enforcement officers are more and more inclined to use disproportionate force in the face of resistance, as in this case, as in tazing small children and very old ladies, as in shooting unarmed suspicious people (who are not even suspects in a crime), as in the police Lt. who pepper-sprayed peaceful U.C. protesters. It seems to be getting worse, year after year, and it seems to coincide with the post-9/11 law enforcement mindset that any means justify the ends.
2) The insertion of the military in all things and the glorification of the military in things, like sports, the latest being NFL players wearing decals on their helmets to “honor” branches of the military. Also at public school events, other sports events, public gatherings, in entertainment like the plethora of war-mongering TV shows, movies and video games, etc., etc., etc.
That this undercurrent to glorify our war machines is constantly – I mean daily – being pushed on us (often subliminally) reminds me of that great sci-fi movie, Starship Troopers, which was a critique of the creeping militarization of the America.
I don’t have an issue with a person that wants to join the military out of his or her perceived civic duty. IMO, I think a lot of what they are made to do is not to protect this nation, but to man-handle other, weaker nations and threaten even more, so as to further the interests of our larger corporations and bankers. I mean, why did we obliterate Iraq? To save it from one man and his family?
Yet we back similar despots in places like Yemen, because we can exploit our relationship with those more malleable leaders? Give me a break! Either way, if that’s your choice, so be it. Just stop trying to sell us on the legitimacy of endless wars of empire, or asking us to kneel and pray at the feet of the mighty forces of our military.
If we keep yielding our rights and our dignity to these two groups of less and less bridled authority, we may someday look back on the 1970s as the good ole’ days of civil liberties, as hard as that is to fathom.
November 21st, 2013 at 10:04 pm
I Am sure most of the kids she will bring up in her household will be get acquainted with the police force in future years.
November 21st, 2013 at 10:06 pm
For the idiots that don’t know, most shootings in the state of New Mexico is done by the police. APD has had many wrongful deaths on their hands. A lot of people fear the police here. There are a lot of people here that when the lights appear behind them will lead an officer to a brightly lit area, instead of imeadietly pulling over. All police in this state is the same way, including Toas.
The police in NM are more dangerous then the local gangs. Most people here look at the APD as a street gang. Countless innocents have lost their live to trigger happy APD officers and other state police. Even when you take away their gun, or they don’t want an investigation, they’ll taz you to death, but since the last one on a mentally deficient young man, the city is now having APD’s tazer fire scrutinized.
Heck, just a couple of days ago we had an officer screwing around ran a red light and killed someone, we have video of them on the news texting and driving. I’m not saying what the driver or her child did was right, but someone needs to control the NM police.
November 21st, 2013 at 10:06 pm
Zen Lill you were wrong. whats next a shoplifter running into a school for handicapped kids and the cops firing a hellfire missile from one of their drones through the front door.opening fire on a van full of kids is so massively irresponsible it boggles the mind.and you people defending this absurdity need to see a shrink
November 21st, 2013 at 10:08 pm
what an idiot. Fire this officer immediately.. The guy is a public threat plain and simple .. and a moron
November 21st, 2013 at 10:09 pm
Let’s state a few things here that should be obvious to everyone and then a few things that obviously aren’t obvious to quite a few.
1. Mother was in the wrong several ways and claiming she feared for children’s safety doesn’t wash because it was her actions that put those children at risk.
2. The 14 year old male (Her son) was really lucky he didn’t get a baton to the head or tasered. He most definitely should be sent through the system and at minimum be placed on probation.
3. Officer 1, (Because we can’t refer to him as Dumbazz No.1) Using his baton to shatter a window, not because he was trying to arrest a suspect, because he was pissed off the kid stood up and then got away from him.
4. Officer 2, (Should be referred to as a “Dangerous Barney Fife”) He didn’t know kids were in the car? Did any of you watch the video? There was OBVIOUSLY “multiple children” SCREAMING loud enough the dash cam caught it with no distortion. But Barney Fife who was right behind the Mommy van couldn’t hear them or see them?
Then get that chubby bassturd a hearing aid, a seeing eye dog, take his gun and retire his stupid azz.
5. The practice of shooting out tires went out with Disco. That’s why they have tire puncturing devices.
6. An officer is only supposed to fire when his life, another officers life, or innocent bystanders lives are in IMMEDIATE DANGER.
As I posted at the very beginning, The mom and kid should be dealt with harshly. But just because she was stupid, the kid was stupid, In NO WAY gives law enforcement officials a “free pass” to be stupid along with them.
Personally, The Ret*rd without a cause, (Officer Nightstick) should face a short unpaid suspension.
“Let’s shoot first and see what happens later” Officer Fife, should be suspended without pay indefinitely.
November 21st, 2013 at 10:10 pm
With some of the cops you have running around out there with guns it best not to pull over in some deserted area, it is best to drive where there are people.
In the state that I live in over the years we have had several females raped and killed by highway patrol men, plus it could even be fake cops, also some cops are just as dangerous as fake cops.
November 21st, 2013 at 10:11 pm
What a moron, don’t shoot the window where kids are sitting in a fleeing van you idiot, shoot the tires. You shoot the tires, she can’t flee and they ain’t going far in the middle of nowhere. They need some better training for these idiot New Mexico cops. And seriously who fires a gun like that, bent over like your throwing up trying to shoot.
November 21st, 2013 at 10:12 pm
You are a Clown……..you don’t see anything wrong with the cop shattering a window with 5 kids behind it? Give me a break, the only one putting those kids in danger was the cop. This was a speeding stop, not an abuse case. Cops are out of control, period. She was speeding, how fast could she have been going in a van loaded down like that? Geez. These cops think they are the immigration police. I would like to know how fast she was going?
November 21st, 2013 at 10:13 pm
Gee, this baboon of a Mom is teaching her kids by some great parenting. Lets see here:
When speeding and you get pulled over, mouth off, then flee.
When cops chase you, pull over get out, don’t listen to anything you are being told, play the “I don’t have to go bys da rules. Day may bees for dem utta folks, buts not me and ma keeds. ” Then resist, fight, AND let your 14 year old get out and risk a beat down, being tasered, or shot because Momma is a total idiot and scumbag Mom.
Next, get back in the getaway vehicle, and try to flee again driving like a meth head, risk your kids lives driving that way, and scaring the heell out of your kids by being a total fool. Or, maybe the kids are use to this and think its perfectly normal……
Then, try to get the media to support you in saying that the cops went too far and endangered your heathen kids………
What a friggin loser of a parent. Yep, we need more parents to give similar example’s for how to interact with people outside of their cages………
And people wonder how and why idiots get shot by the cops sometimes. She is lucky they didn’t do a pit maneuver on her azz and crashed her van full of offspring.
November 21st, 2013 at 10:14 pm
1 if there was pot they would have found it and we would know
2 you have been watching to many movies if you think a tire can just be shot flat (specially from behind)
3 bullets bounce …who knows where
4 it seems obvious this “minority” woman was afraid of the police ….for GOOD reason
and 5 MOST importantly “deadly force for a speeding ticket”…WTF
November 21st, 2013 at 10:15 pm
The thing they teach cops and drill it in all the time is to “Dominate the situation, NEVER allow anyone to control the situation but you, and take down anyone who dares to question your dominance, as a lesson to everyone else present”. No horsesh!t, I had a hunting and fishing buddy that was a deputy sheriff, and then another who was a Tactical Response Unit sniper, their the ones who kept telling me the “in’s and outs with dealing with cops”.
It’s really no surprise that cops are going overboard, ever since 9/11 and the “Patriot Act” and other legislation, we’re heading towards becoming a “Police State” really quick.
November 21st, 2013 at 10:16 pm
Burke#45, “Baboon”, “out of their cages”? Why not just call them “N*ggers and quit hiding that you’re a knuckle dragging, trailer park trash, inbred, mouth breathing, BIGOT!
I’m white too azzwipe, but those were kids, You know, HUMAN BEINGS!!
November 21st, 2013 at 10:17 pm
Stupid cops these days. Getting the most out of those high school educations I see. On what planet it acceptable to shoot into a van full of kids? Unless the kids all have Uzis pointed at the cops then there is no reason to discharge a weapon. We have twice as many cops than we need in this country and they are part of what’s wrong with America.
Ask yourself this: when’s the last time a police officer ever helped you with anything? If they aren’t investigating a murder, rape or some other real crime then they are nothing more than doughnut-eating wastes of taxpayer money.
November 21st, 2013 at 10:18 pm
“This woman is a menace to society…”
And a cop that shoots towards innocent children with no regard for their lives isn’t?
November 21st, 2013 at 10:19 pm
I get the feeling the only reason you hate the cops is because they may bust you for doing something, here’s the catch, illegal! Are you another pot head living with his Momma?
November 21st, 2013 at 10:20 pm
Why isn’t 0bamba commenting on the 14 year old? If he had a son the son could look and act like that kid.
That kid is three years younger than that Crayon Martin kid in Florida, everyone knows that Crayon was just a little baby and couldn’t do anything like that!
November 21st, 2013 at 10:21 pm
I had a car load of Mexicans T-bone me after they ran a red light both vehicles were totaled but they managed to drive away for about a block then took off running. A witness followed them and said it was 5 people including an old woman and man. They got away. The cops told me it happens every day and its only going to get worst.
November 21st, 2013 at 10:22 pm
This woman broke the law, got caught, then tried to run, had her child (yes 14 is a child) attack an officer of the law. And had illegal drugs in her car full of children. Yes she is a menace.
Point is I don’t feel sorry for her because none of that would have happened if she would have just stayed put like she was told. Worst case is she may have been arrested if she had a warrant out. But no one would have fired a weapon. She started the chain of events.
November 21st, 2013 at 10:24 pm
People like you cop excusers are enablers. You blindly worship any moron with a badge or uniform as if there is some great difficulty in becoming a cop. In reality, you only need to barely make it out of high-school to become one and since we have way too many the standards have been lowered.
Most cops these days are nothing more than armed goons who want to act like tough-guys and seek out confrontations with people who can’t legally fight back. Cowards and bullies in other words.
November 21st, 2013 at 10:24 pm
well its not right for her to have tried to drive off but seriously breaking the window and then there is really no reason for shooting they have other ways of stopping the car and considering abq has a high police brutality rate doesnt make it better its not police bashing they have a job to do everyone understands that but not all the kids got out and acted crazy!
November 21st, 2013 at 10:25 pm
Whats coming you idoits deserve as for the rest of the people I feel sorry for, when its shoot ask later we are all in trouble good luck to your families I hope they don’t meet the tragic end. Shaneal you have a definite problem shooting low or high don’t matter you are a dunce and a menace maybe your family will be next unless some inside connections?
November 21st, 2013 at 10:27 pm
Like some of the other posts on here, I too have a problem with the idea that all this happened over a speeding violation. I can’t imagine that she was going over a 100mph with 5 kids in the car. Can someone explain to me why it was OK for these cops to shoot at the Van over a speeding violation when the shooter at the theater in Colorado who had guns in plain sight when officers arrived was NOT shot dead on sight.
Obviously the woman was Hispanic….don’t see anything here that surprise me, who knows if she could even speak English ? A 14 year old boy who thinks his mother is being threatened is probably scared out of his wits especially when the guns come out……over a speeding violation.
Seems like the Cops were the ones who put the public in danger far more than the lady with the Van full of kids. Blocking her in when there were three cops there or even a pit maneuver when she drove off would have been far better than opening fire……over a speeding violation. Why not just shoot everyone who disagrees with the Police…….the cops never do anything wrong.
Anyone else see the 20/20 special where they tracked Speeding Cops with no lights on driving down the interstate sometimes in excess of 90-100mph? They had a helicopter follow them to their destination and then when confronted, even on camera not one was willing to talk or admit that they did anything wrong.
One of them was even on his way to the Police Driving Academy where he was an instructor after he broke 95mph and crossed 4 lanes of interstate with no turn signal. If we think it’s bad now wait until Obama figures out a way to declare Martial Law over some trumped up threat to National security like Military Veterans removing Barriers to the War Memorial.
Not Saying that all cops are bad but many of them do abuse the power they are given and many of them do lie regularly.
November 21st, 2013 at 10:28 pm
MMW – connections seriously? You make that large of an assumption off of me thinking this woman is trash. I don’t have to have connections because I do this really simple thing and FOLLOW the laws. Its much easier than fleeing from the police and getting shot at for being irresponsible. Again, she started this ball rolling.
November 21st, 2013 at 10:29 pm
Too bad the cop didn’t use a bazooka, problems solved.
November 21st, 2013 at 10:29 pm
Shaneal go crawl under something you are despicable for thinking its ok to fire upon children for no life threatening reason glad you are not my neighbor I think the trash is easy to pick out and for thinking its ok to shoot children for no reason I found some of the trash
November 21st, 2013 at 10:31 pm
The police officers in the video appear to be too angry and ready to use force including life threatening force. They need retraining before ever being allowed to work as police officers again. They behaved like they watched “Die Hard” one too many times and wanted to have some action to work off their machismo.
They went completely out of control when it became apparent they didn’t have absolute control over the situation. Police officers are entrusted with the responsibility of enforcing the laws by society. They are suppose to be trained to maintain their composure and act judiciously even in provocative situations.
November 21st, 2013 at 10:32 pm
Wow……you people think that there must be a fine line between murder/robbery/rape and a speeding violation………
November 21st, 2013 at 10:33 pm
Shaneal read what you said getting shot for being irresponsible Really are you that brainwashed that you actually think that that is ok you need help with others here . SHE DID NOT DESREVE TO HAVE HER FAMILY SHOT AT
November 21st, 2013 at 10:33 pm
I’m not mindless enough to know there are corrupt cops, we have a few where I live, in a small town. I’m just spart enough to know if you mind your own damn business or follow the law and give them no reason to mess with you, you will do fine. She did none of the above.
Nor will I agrue with you any more. She didn’t get shot at for a simple speeding ticket. That was just what started all of this. I don’t agree with cops actions but none of this had to go that far. Fact of the matter she started all of this and she dragged her kids along with her.
November 21st, 2013 at 10:34 pm
I would say the stupid woman and her idiot 14 yr old are the real problem. An officer stops you for a violation you best remain stopped until the matter is settled. The cop was most likely shooting at the tires to prevent the van from getting very far much like they use stop sticks. So, settle down all you hyped up loons. It’s not as big a deal as pmsnbc makes it out to be.
Explain to us – how
So, settle down all you hyped up loons. It’s not as big a deal as pmsnbc makes it out to be.
Firing a gun into a car – filled with kids is not a big deal?
As far the 14 year old , I think he was working on his Eagle Scout badge for “protecting his mother”, could not be expected? Usual Kid/boy/ teen reaction when he sees his mother being man-handled.
… Not the brightest penny in the jar … but totally predictable.
Speeding tickets are now on the list for use of deadly force? I didn’t get the memo, so now we all know. Reminds me of an other article, which showed an off duty soldier – with a car full of kids – being pulled over for a speeding charge. he was shot too – killed after getting back in his car (some kind of small station wagon.
In his case, from what was posted. He got out of his car, apparently with a 9mm behind his back. Shot the officer, both were wounded. His as presumed to be fatal – he was found less than a mile down the road slumped over the steering wheel dead. The officer fired a shot, hitting him in the torso- I guess with the adrenalin flowing, he was unaware of being shot?
I’m probably way off-base here; but I can’t help but wonder what was said during the first stop? Seems the officer had stopped this soldier in an earlier encounter. The soldier left the area, the cop followed – pulled him over again… leading to the deadly encounter.
Being a former soldier myself, I wonder if that was another of those cases where local police have a predatory attitude when it comes to military personnel billeted in large bases near by. All too often, I have seen local police pullover soldiers for little or no reason… other than harassment and revenue. Maybe GI – Joe had reached his breaking point. When it comes to predatory Policing encounters running up against Parents with kids in the car, it can lead to serious “misunderstands” or “missteps” – if the Officer berates the parent in front of their kids.
What ever happened to Community Policing, these deadly encounter – which seemingly should never escalate to killing someone, with kids – over a traffic violation.
$300, $400 even $1,000′s of dollar tickets are the norm today for stupid traffic violations – maybe at the root of the problem is….its the Economy? Lots of soldiers, our fighting Forces … are on food stamps, to make ends meet?
November 21st, 2013 at 10:35 pm
One thing that is perfectly clear, racism is nowhere near gone…..
I swear, why are there so many idiots that breed?
Gee, this baboon of a Mom is teaching her kids by some great parenting. Lets see here:
When speeding and you get pulled over, mouth off, then flee.
When cops chase you, pull over get out, don’t listen to anything you are being told, play the “I don’t have to go bys da rules. Day may bees for dem utta folks, buts not me and ma keeds. ”
But you hate Obama because of his policies…… Geez if you hate a group of people, keep it to yourself, I am sick and tired of insults and pure idiocy from the American people.
November 21st, 2013 at 10:36 pm
“When did Americans lose respect for officers?”
When they started 2 wear their corruption on their sleeves.
November 22nd, 2013 at 8:24 am
Michelle, I couldn’t get in to comment on the 14 year-old boy who was tortured by the Pennsylvania police. But I agree wholeheartedly with Fuller.
November 22nd, 2013 at 8:50 am
Stanley, nice summarizing thank you. -ZL
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