What Is The ?Debate?
Posted by Michelle Moquin on April 23rd, 2009
What’s the ?debate? Is the debate about the debate? By that I mean, what is the debate about? Okay some parameters. One side says, “Enhanced interrogations saved lives.” The other side says, “Enhanced’ interrogations didn’t save lives.” Another side says, “Even if it did save lives, the information could have been gotten another way.” And still yet another side says, “The only information enhanced interrogation gives is lies.”
But is that what the ?debate? really is about? Or is that how one side has framed the debate?
Let’s I.R.A.C. it. “I” in this case stands for ‘issues’. If the issue is whether or not ‘enhanced interrogations’ has worked or not, then we have already stated the debate. However, the debate is not whether or not ‘enhanced interrogations’ worked or didn’t work, the debate is whether or not ‘enhanced interrogations’ is ‘torture’. And since the type of torture were talking about is water boarding, water boarding has already been defined by international courts and by United States rule of law, to be ‘torture’.
As a matter of fact we hanged Japanese soldiers for water boarding American soldiers during WWII. We tried them under a court of law and we hanged them. So…it would seem, that the case of water boarding has already been decided. You wouldn’t hang people for something if it was against the law. Right? The law has already decided that water boarding is torture.
It is a fact, that water boarding was used by the Japanese to make American soldiers confess things that they didn’t do. It has been used by other people; the North Koreans, the Chinese…We won’t go into ‘who’; it doesn’t matter who originated it. The fact of the matter is that it has been decided that water boarding is torture.
So…now the issue becomes not whether we got information that saved lives by use of torture, or whether another method could be used instead of torture, or whether the information we got by torture would be valid or invalid. The debate is about ‘who’ authorized the ‘torture’. Got it? Okay people, go to it.
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April 23rd, 2009 at 9:28 am
PHYSICAL THERAPY HELPS OUTCOMES FOR ICU PATIENTS
Although critically ill people treated in an intensive care unit (ICU) may survive, many do not do well after hospital discharge. Even a year later, many such patients function poorly, with decreased pulmonary function tests and unsatisfactory daily self-care and mood questionnaires, remaining physically weak and showing signs of emotional strain. To improve long-term outcomes and reduce health care costs, the National Institutes of Health is encouraging research on what can be done for patients in the ICU to not only keep them alive, but help them heal better over the long term.
A fascinating preliminary finding has emerged from this study, which was funded almost entirely by the North Carolina Baptist Hospital: Even for patients who are unconscious, having some form of physical therapy (PT) makes a difference. In a 24-month study of patients on mechanical ventilation at Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center, ICU patients who started preliminary PT within 48 hours spent less time (one day less on average) in the ICU… and less time in the hospital (three days) after leaving the ICU.
HOW DOES PT IN ICU WORK?
Physical therapy in the ICU? How does this even work? With unconscious patients, nursing assistants began with “passive range of motion,” I learned from lead investigator Peter Morris, MD, associate professor in the Section on Pulmonary, Critical Care, Allergy and Immunologic Diseases at Wake Forest. This included flexing patients’ arm and leg joints three times a day, seven days a week. Once patients were alert, though still on the ventilator, the study team — made up of a critical care nurse, a physical therapist and a nursing assistant — expanded their activity, based on individual progress. Exercises first focused on movements to improve limb weakness… then moved to exercises to strengthen torso muscles… and then, when patients were upright, different exercises to help them stabilize while standing and walking.
Given that long-term ICU outcomes are not very good, Wake Forest’s research results are encouraging. Dr. Morris says that PT helped patients move better, in that they were able to avoid some of the possible deconditioning and muscle atrophy that often results from being sedentary. Perhaps more importantly, exercise seems to have helped reduce the systemic inflammation that disease and/or trauma creates, thus improving healing.
Since assorted research studies have shown a decrease of serum inflammatory markers in heart patients who exercise and also in sedentary elderly who become active, Dr. Morris says that it stands to reason that physical activity even in the ICU environment might help speed healing. The Wake Forest Team is now preparing a study to directly evaluate (through measurements of blood levels of markers or systemic markers of inflammation) how PT affects inflammation in the critically ill. But the current study results have convinced Dr. Morris that movement for ICU patients makes sense.
Source(s): ??Peter Morris, MD, associate professor in the Section on Pulmonary, Critical Care, Allergy and Immunologic Diseases at Wake Forest Baptist Medical Center, Winston-Salem, North Carolina.
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:10 am
I was for a special prosecuter until I heard someone on MSNBC explaining that it’s not the time yet. Once that happens, the whole thing gets buried and there is much more damaging information yet to come out. They said that’s what Bush did with the CIA outing. The result was that Libby got a slap on the hand and the big guys were never exposed. Maybe our President and AG are smarter than even we give them credit for. Let’s let this play out for a while and see what happens.
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:10 am
I live in Los Angeles. THe CIA interrogators did what was necessary to prevent an attack on our city that would have been the equivalent of the 9/11 attacks. Thank God for them doing what was necessary. MoveOn.org doesn’t give a s— about me or my family’s safety.
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:24 am
So Anon3 as long as they tell you that their breaking the law saved your ass, then it is okay by you if they break the law to protect your selfish, gutless ass
It would seem that you don’t give a shit about me, my family or the rest of the families in America as long as you can feel safe. Pathetic!
You are the kind of gutless idiots who the repugs counted on when they set about destroying the US Constitution by scaring us with their “terror” threats.
Get a pair.
Using your logic cops should be allowed to be judge and jury when making arrests. Why not just stop one of your relatives a whip their ass, beat them into confessing to a crime so that someone else could be spared of having that crime from being committed against them.
Does this make sense? Not, if you can’t look pass your own selfish interest, but to those of us who can, you are an idiot.
If America goes down the road of justifying torture to “save” their citizens from “terror.” Then when americans travel abroad they can expect to have the same torture applied to their persons to “prevent” those nations from having their citizens experience “terror.”
Who but an idiotic spineless coward would open up that can of worms?
Susan
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:25 am
Our country has all kinds of economic and political problems.
Many people say this is distracting, political and too much for our government at this time.
I would happily agree to turn over the evidence, investigation, prosecution and outcome to the International Tribunal on War Crimes based in the Hague.
The same guys who tried Pinochet, Milosovec and other alleged war criminals.
Good enough for Pinochet, good enough for Bush.
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:25 am
Over and over here there are people defending this horrendous practice. It’s torture damn it! We’re supposed to be better than this. You people who are defending these actions should call a good psychiatrist or make an appointment with your pastor if you have one, because you need spiritual help.
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:28 am
If Cheney thinks torture was so necessary why didn’t he stand up and take credit for it. Why didn’t he show how valuable it was? Why did he allow those soldiers go to prison for what he had ordered done.
Cloris
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:36 am
Why are we inundated with white boys(mostly chicken hawks) out there advocating the use of torture? Senators of the United States, white boys all, are advocating torture.
Why are americans accepting this as a legitimate issue of debate? You are so on point Michelle. We need to get these sick puppies out of office. What will they advocate next in the name of “safety?”
Can any american count on these cowards to protect the basic rights our Constitution guarantees us. Warrantless wiretaps, arrests with privy to counsel, incarceration without the possibility of release, what will these white boys protect us from?
Mark
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:37 am
If the United States military took my fresh faced hopeful high school graduate, and taught him that it was required of him to abuse, to torture, to bring other sentient beings to the brink of despair…..I would despise not only the military, but possibly every sleazy right wing politician who ever drew breath. If my wonderful son were sent home to me damaged in this way, I would want to give up on hope for the future
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:40 am
they have set their minions on fox to full throttle in order to de-rail any investigastion- hannity and o’reilly are almost foaming at the mouth ranting about the injustice of an investigation
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:46 am
so two wrongs make a right ? so now we just “pick and chose” what parts of ILLEGAL activity we will condone. Regardless of party affiliation or if its “politically” correct – activity that is ILLEGAL cannot be sanctioned.
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:46 am
Article III Part 17 of the Geneva Convention states in part:
No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to any unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind.
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:49 am
Michelle your research was correct. Since you didn’t have time to list the countries I will for those idiots who don’t know or for the cowards who don’t care.
-Nuremburg – waterboarding was defined as torture – signed off by the United States.
-Geneva Conventions – waterboarding was defined as torture – signed off by the United States.
-Korean War Resolutions – waterboarding was defined as torture – signed off by the United States.
-Geneva Conv. – waterboarding was defined as torture – signed off by the United States.
-Red Cross – waterboarding was defined as torture – signed off by the United States.
-Human Rights Tribunal – waterboarding was defined as torture – signed off by the United States.
-Post WW2 Japanese Military Hearings – waterboarding was defined as torture – signed off by the United States.
Michelle, I would love to be a girlz.
Delores
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:58 am
McCain is the biggest hypocrite this country has ever had in the Senate. He uses his POW status to his advantage whenever he can. When he ran against bush he was swift boated because they had information that when he was captured he used his father’s rank as head of the navy to get preferential treatment. That’s why he was separated from the rest of the prisoners, so they wouldn’t know.
When it was convenient for him he was against water boarding because he said it was torture. Now he is against prosecuting those who ordered it because they were republicans.
Don’t take my word for it. Listen to it coming out of his own mouth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIHHZ59aWoA
The hypocrite is always spouting “country first,” when he really means me first. He is the poster child for a republican. Someone who uses emotional issues to gain an advantage over his opponent or constituent.
Jeff
April 23rd, 2009 at 10:59 am
Yes….pleeese go forward with this lynch hunt you libbies are on…..pleeease…….this will then ensure the end to the bobo admin……pleeaasse…….
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:00 am
You cannot win this argument . . . it is torture and it can not be done. The repubs are the ones that are going to suffer from their continual denial of this and insistence that these were “enhanced terrogation techniques”. It makes them look as if they are ok with breaking the law. They will continue to lose seats if they continue to support this position.
And the only “lynch hunt” that I’ve seen lately were taking place at these “Tea Parites”. All that was missing were the white sheets.
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:01 am
So we throw little water into the face of the man who cut the head off of Daniel Pearl. We didn’t go far enough. I hope Holder does start indicting these true American Patriots that worked to keep this country safe for the last seven years. Pay backs are hell!
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:05 am
Anon17
What makes you believe that that particular was the man who “cut the head off of Daniel Pearl?” You have just given away your race. White boys are forever advocating punishing any OTW for the crime committed by any other OTW.
I am not agreeing that even if he was the man who committed that crime, he should be tortured. We sir are a people who respect the rule of law. He should be tried in a court of law and if convicted, sentenced according to those rules of law.
Vivian
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:06 am
A true American Patriot upholds the laws of this country, and the world. We are no better than those we despise if we resort to torture. And besides, if tor.ture works so well, why didn’t Bush get BinL.aden?
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:07 am
why didn’t clinton get binladen…had numerous chances. And it’s “enhanced interrogation” not T.o.r.tu.re….you libs have to start being more politically correct. You love that stuff i thought.
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:10 am
Anon17, If you think that water boarding amounts to just a little water tossed into the victim’s face, why don’t you volunteer to have someone do it to you?
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:10 am
I hate to say this, but: it will never happen. As I recall, Clinton wouldn’t prosecute Reagan and Bush for Iran-Contra because “we have to work with these guys.” It’s the same thing with Obama – the Democrats are scared to death to prosecute, because they know the Republicans will retaliate.
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:13 am
Zen Lill
You haven’t answered about Anonz. We at MPV ________ are waiting. Interested minds need to know?
Are you two smoozing some place? Details, details.
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:14 am
Oh please. The Republican Party doesn’t even exist anymore in any real sense of the word. They sold their collective souls to the wealthy uberevangelical fringe, and no longer represent America in any sense of the word. Suggesting that “Republicans will realiate” is to assert that you believe the raccoon you just drove over might find your house one day.
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:28 am
As I see it we have a media that will make the attempted prosecution of these criminals look like a Democratic Party orchestrated witch hunt.
Tom
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:30 am
prosecution under the law for breakijng the law, would deter future deceptions such as this,
why is it that under the Bush era, everyone seems tohave forgotton right from wrong, legal from illegal, it is not all subject to interpretation, if you lie violate ethics, cheat, steal, it is wrong and tend should lead to at least consideration of jail time. what in the world is going on here,
the problem is too many left their morals at the door, and said yes to torture while under duress, no one wanted to be wrong on un patriotic, so they went along, we need some fines and or jail time going around, Bush n cheney will take alot of people down with them, they setit up that way, dang dang dang, thought some one would have seen this coming. but no
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:32 am
I’m confused and think you overcomplicated to the point of diluting common sense and equal justice for all. You are so focused on the lawyers, but not the people who took illegal actions and not the courts who decide what the Constitution means.
You seem to say that just because evil legal arguments can be made, only the slugs asked to create evil legal arguments might pay a price for any crimes committed by government officials under the precarious cover of such legal arguments?
You said:
“I stand by the proposition that neither the conclusion that an administration has done evil nor even the conclusion that an administration has acted in violation of the Constitution is a warrant for criminal prosecution.”
Are you saying that there is nothing that can be done no matter what crime any administration commits? That’s a frightening supposition that lacks any checks and balances.. My understanding (see Marbury v. Madison) is that the Supreme Court is the ultimate “decider” of what the constitution means and where the boundaries are–no matter how clever the arguments by lawyers for those they defend and no matter how noble or ignoble the Justices may be.
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:33 am
I thought the writer was pretty clear, actually. He says quite plainly that there is something to be done, and it’s the only reasonable course if we are to limit the power of future administrations to do “evil” and get away with it. The fact is that they CAN claim that they did not knowingly break the law because they went to great pains beforehand to make sure the favorable interpretation of the law was in place. Our failure here is not in the acts themselves but in allowing our system of checks and balances to be weakened.
To prevent the same thing (or something similar) happening in the future, we strengthen that system by punishing the “creative interpreters,” the members of the law profession who did knowingly bend the law to the aims of members of the executive branch.
It won’t get us Bush and Cheney in jail, not by a long shot. It won’t provide vengeance, in short. But it might be the only reasonable step (I’m not yet convinced, but I’ll think about it) toward strengthening the system to prevent the similar crimes in the future.
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:34 am
Let’s keep in mind there were few, if any, attorneys among the Bush Administrations “higher ups”. Not Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, Wolfowitz, Powell, Rice, etc. My point is they hired and pointed attorneys working for them toward making the law fit the end they were looking for, which in this case was to defend their position on invading Iraq.
While this directive varies little from the position any client/attorney relationship takes on its face, there is then arising a huge difference: the means to carry out the directive. The opinion being written did not break the law. The thought process behind the opinion did not break the law. The actions after the opinion broke the law. The “crime” was then complete.
I believe English law passed the point of ‘the King can do no wrong” at Runnymead, did it not? Here, my fellow citizens, is our Runnymead.
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:35 am
arguments that the constitution allows unlimited executive authority and/or the use of torture in a time of crisis work only if one assumes that such extraordinary measures are taken for the good of the people, not for the personal gain of the perpetrators
the bush administration lied us into a war for oil in iraq and then used “enhanced interrogation” to try to obtain false evidence that there was link between iraq and al qaeda in order to justify that war retroactively
i suppose that richard nixon could have accused the dnc of planning to overthrow the government by violent means and then tortured some of its members into admitting it, thus justifying the watergate break-in . . . if only he’d had more creative lawyers and, of course, the corporate-owned media on his side
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:37 am
I find it fascinating that we are sending an 90 yo man back to Germany to stand trial for following orders as a Sargent in the German army for the torturing and killing of jewish prisoners and we want to keep walking past our own soldiers for the same “crimes”. Amnazing I mean amazing.
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:38 am
The Constitution of the United States, like any laws based on mutually accepted principles between persons, have no more worth than the fidelity they have for those principles. This is why we have an “adversarial system”, to exercise our mutual fidelity to the letter of the law, not merely the prosecution of individuals who violate laws, but to be judged by our collective understanding of the “spirit” of the law, and the effects of our collective infidelity to that “spirit”. This is also the reason that those who aspire to the highest offices (to be “priests” for the constitution) that the constitution provides, at the same time, and by their own volition, aspire to uphold its highest principles, are mandated to uphold their office by the highest of constitutional standards. Thus, when they become “political infidels” to the constitution, they deserve the gravest of punishments, for their high profile example not only grotesquely distorts the foundations of the law, but additionally puts into motion an incalcuable wave of damage throughout “body politic”, fertilizing “new soil” for the “new seeds” of new infidels!
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:41 am
In Nazi Germany, Hitler got street thugs named brownshirts (the SA) to pave the way for his move to absolute, tyrannical power. In Communist China, Mao got the Red Guards of the Cultural Revolution to stamp out elements of Chinese society he regarded as threatening his absolute rule. In America, would-be tyrants and others who want to create spaces of absolute rule and insulate themselves from common norms retain lawyers.
Schweber focuses on particular lawyers. But lawyers such as Bybee and Yoo get their mentalities where they believe they are acting within an autonomous zone from support and examples in their daily lives as members of the legal system. Bybee, Yoo, and the like find such support and examples not only from other lawyers they work among regularly, but also judges and court personnel. It’s much like the behavior and rationalizations of the banksters making fortunes on questionable financial transactions. If they didn’t, some other banksters would. Does anyone think that if Bybee or Yoo didn’t provide (ersatz) legal grounds for torture, Bush, Cheney, etc., wouldn’t have been able to easily find other lawyers to do so?
It’s not only individual attorneys who are malicious and amoral. The system they are in supports this in such a way as to nourish it. For elaboration on my own first-person investigative reporting on crime and corruption in the Connecticut legal system: http://henryberryinct.blogspot.com/
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:42 am
Bush and the administration did not go to the halls of legal practice where great Constitutional Lawyers and Judges could have debated this issue and acted appropriately, based on law, treaties, and common decency. Instead, they intentionally selected the ideologues who would rubber stamp, twist and distort the law and the underpinnings of a free country, and who would say and do whatever their twisted, ideologically evil masters wanted them to do.
Remember, we saw this happen in Germany under HItler and the administration and their henchmen darned near subverted the basic decency and freedoms of this country.
The legal masterminds have to be reviewed and revealed for what they are and punished, but those who sought them out, directed them and used their nefarious opinions to justify subregation of the decency, freedom and rule of law held by this country through all the confrontations we have faced prior to this must be the ones to suffer the greatest punishment.
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:46 am
If there are those of you still unsure about what Michelle is asking you to think about Read the Torture Memo, then when you are better informed,
Sign the Official Petition asking the for an Independent Prosecutor!
http://www.aclu.org
Fatima
April 23rd, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Hi Mischa, I’m thinking you do not need my two since you have 30+ anonymouses answering your call to arms/torture/water boarding/the law…I’m sure you can guess my stance.
Anonz, sweet pea, you’re back…! I’m so glad you’re alive and well, I admit that there were moments when I questioned that. I didn’t even get that you’d written here until there was another q for me today re: you/me/us, had to go back and find your comment, it was mixed in with many ‘anonymous’s’ which I will say I tend to scan when there are too many and tight for time. I also figured something must’ve provoked the need to know…I love how the women ask me about you, as if I know, hmmm, well ladies…for your entertainment…
Interesting commentary re: Paki, would love to hear more about that – but I feel I should respond to our admirers.
Sarah, yes I have a job, yes that’s ‘clothes job’ not ‘clothes off’ : ) though that’s quite a pleasant state for me also. Is it so hard to believe I actually work?? I imagine Anonz is a right sexy and wildly attentive partner but, I have no direct experience in the matter. Is he sexy in person(?) hmm, highly likely – but I KNOW he’d claim I was the sexier of the two of us ; ) he’s sweet that way.
Caroline, for the entertainment of MVP ____ whatever that is…Anonz and I are holed up in a plush cave in an undisclosed location, if we told you where we’d have to kill you and everyone else on this blog. I can’t be responsible for that so I withhold info for your safety. Here, we’re only supplied minimal clothing (which works for us, we don’t mind) but an endless supply of beverages, good foods and chocolate : ) we also have an endless supply of topics to discuss when we’re not buys being busy. There seems to be a stealth staff that takes care of our every need (except the ones we handle on our own) but I can’t be sure, they are THAT stealth : ) We stay quite devoted to challenging each other and other tasks at hand (lips, mouth, skin, etc…) – will send more detes when the man finally releases me from my current hostage situation : ) although, the truth is: I have not tried escaping, why would I?
How was that – or do you require more details…let me know…but remember, I am not willing to risk your safety over it.
Ciao, Zen Lill
April 23rd, 2009 at 7:15 pm
Anon3
I take it you are not aware that the LA library tower plot that was supposed to have been stopped by torture was stopped in Feb 2002. Torture was implemented in Aug 2002. That would be 6 months after the saving of your uniformed butt occurred.
You should either check on the information provided by those that would use fear to motivate you to allow them to usurp your(our) Constitutional rights. Cowards like yourself will hide behind the statement that you were concerned for your family. Face it little boy, you are just so afraid for yourself.
Frank
April 23rd, 2009 at 7:43 pm
I am a Pakistani woman trapped in a place our “great, brave” soldiers gave up to criminals because they are too cowardly to protect their homeland. Those criminals are using koran to give the the right to torture, maim, murder and enslave women. Any woman caught with a book will be beaten, mutilated, or killed.
If any society needs proof that government and religion should be separated this is the proof they can see. Please Michelle send Madaline to wipe out these criminals. And after she is finish with them, please have her stop by the army bases of our “great brave” soldiers and wipe them out. Then do the rest of the misogynists in this country.
May Allah always keep you safe and bless you Michelle. You are a beacon of hope for women who have no defense or champion against the abuse of their men.
Raaidi
April 23rd, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Why would you indeed? Even in Russia we want to be in Anonz’s arms. We still are betting that you two are together. It is just too coincidental that you have abandoned your blog at the same time that our hot hunk has marched off to avenge Nia.
We don’t blame you on the contrary, we envy you. Please keep the juice coming, even if you must pretend you are not together.
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Tara
April 23rd, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Federal appeals judge Jay Bybee should be impeached. He is one of the authors of those torture amendments. This guy is one step from the Supreme Court. His legal opinion either shows he has none or that his legal opinion is for hire.
If he doesn’t have the sense to resign, then he must be impeached.
Sonja
April 23rd, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Michelle,
I signed off with “you lucky, lucky, girl” in russian. Your blog printed a bunch of question marks. Why?
Tara