another great article by Dr. Mercola:
Posted by Michelle Moquin on February 28th, 2011
Good morning!
Okay this came across my plate. And I don’t really believe in coincidences, so perhaps there are a few of you out there that might need to watch and read this. If so, this is a long video, so please take or make the time if you are one in need, or pass it along to someone who may find this info beneficial. Thanks!
Dr. John Lowe is a skilled clinician, recognized as one of the leading experts on treating thyroid disease with natural medicine. In this interview, he discusses hypothyroidism and the lesser known thyroid hormone resistance, and how thyroid disease is connected to fibromyalgia.
The Simple Fibromyalgia Treatment that’s Nearly Always Overlooked…
Thyroid disease, or inadequate thyroid hormone regulation, is extremely common. According to estimates, anywhere from 10 to 40 percent of Americans have suboptimal thyroid function.
The Difference between Hypothyroidism and Thyroid Hormone Resistance
Hypothyroidism occurs when you produce insufficient amounts of thyroid hormone or when you have thyroid hormone resistance. As a result, your body cannot maintain normal metabolism, and your ability to convert tyrosine to dopamine, norepinephrine and epinephrine is impaired. This can cause a ripple effect of symptoms, including cognitive dysfunction.
A common give-away that you may be hypothyroid is feeling cold most of the time. This is because your body cannot generate enough ATP molecules to keep the core temperature of your body high enough.
Thyroid hormone resistance began being investigated in the 1950s, yet many endocrinologists still have never heard of it, or believe it’s a rare condition.
“The difference between hypothyroidism where there is a deficiency of thyroid hormone, and thyroid hormone resistance, is that the same amount of thyroid hormone-within the laboratories’ reference range-that would maintain normal metabolism in cells don’t do so adequately.
Those people [with thyroid hormone resistance] need a much higher dosage of hormones-a dosage that would cause most endocrinologists to scream, “You’re going to die of heart attack if you don’t get off that,” Dr. Lowe explains.
Why Lab Testing is NOT the Most Useful Tool for Diagnosing Thyroid Disease
Unfortunately, many if not most conventional doctors do nothing but look at lab test data when diagnosing thyroid disease, and typically ignore signs and symptoms revealed by the patient, such as dry skin or hair loss. Dr. Lowe and I often refer to these as extremist medical technocrats.
However, Dr. Lowe says he’s noticed a revival of sorts of the practice to listen to the patient; getting a list of the symptoms; looking at the patient and touching them.
This can be particularly valuable in the case of diseases like thyroid disease, which is littered with clinical symptoms.
The exclusive reliance on lab tests is actually NOT advisable in this case. In fact, Dr. Lowe discusses why these tests may at times be completely useless for diagnosis. For example, based on three decades worth of work in this area, and two rigorous studies, Dr. Lowe has concluded that the traditional testing used does not correlate with the far more powerful assessment of thyroid hormone in your body, which is your basal metabolic rate.
For more information about that, please listen to the interview, or read through the transcript.
A Forgotten Sign of Thyroid Disease
Dr. Lowe’s interest in the thyroid was ignited about 25 years ago. At the time he used myofascial trigger point therapy to treat pain, taught by Dr. Travell who used it on John Kennedy. Most patients responded favorable to this treatment, but some did not get the typical relief and he started wondering why.
“I went to Travell and Simon’s textbooks and found a huge section on perpetuating factors,” Dr. Lowe says.
“What can make a patient resistant to usually effective myofascial therapy? Among those were nutritional deficiencies. If patients don’t take enough B complex vitamins, various ones can cause neuromuscular hyper-excitability that has to be dealt with. I would give injections of B complex vitamins and would immediately get them on megadoses…
[R]ather than three treatments it might take eight or 10, but I was able to release them as ‘recovered’. But there were some patients for whom none of those usual tactics worked. They kept coming back. The reprieve from pain might be only six hours.”
He finally discovered information that linked myofascial pain and trigger points to hypometabolism, especially due to inadequate thyroid hormone regulation.
The standard tests used today to diagnose inadequate thyroid hormone regulation due to hypothyroidism are the free T3, free T4 and TSH. There’s also a test called TRH (thyroid releasing hormone) stimulation test. Using these tests, Dr. Lowe was able to determine that many of those patients could be diagnosed with central hypothyroidism.
“They didn’t have a thyroid gland problem per se where the thyroid gland wasn’t producing a thyroid hormone, but they had either a problem with the hypothalamus or with the pituitary,” he explains.
Some of the clinical symptoms presented by these patients were primarily pain, such as headaches and cervical- or back pain. One such patient became pain-free once she started taking thyroid hormone. That’s what got Dr. Lowe started on the path of treating thyroid disease.
Signs and Symptoms of Thyroid Disease
So, if the conventional lab tests are unreliable, what are the signs and symptoms to look for? As stated earlier, there are some 60 different symptoms (including many that correspond to symptoms of fibromyalgia) that are indicative of thyroid disease-although, remarkably, you won’t find these in the newer endocrinology books.
Dr. Lowe’s web site, www.DrLowe.com, contains a full list of all the signs and symptoms. Here are a few of the most common:
- Fatigue-If you don’t have enough dopamine or have too few dopamine receptors due to inadequate thyroid hormone regulation, you end up with extreme fatigue, which is also a common complaint in fibromyalgia patients
- Hair loss
- Weight gain–Thyroid hormone controls gene transcription for lipolytic enzymes, which lower cholesterol and break down triglycerides and fatty tissues. If you have enough of these enzymes, they will reduce fat tissues in your body even if you do not diet and exercise
- Dry skin, hair, eyes and other mucous membranes
- Excess muscle tension and trigger points-For muscles to completely relax, filaments must lengthen and separate, which requires energy (ATP molecules). Low thyroid hormone reduces ATP
- Delayed deep tendon reflexes (slow relaxation phase of the Achilles reflex)-Thyroid hormone controls gene transcription for calcium ATPase. When you hit the Achilles tendon and your foot goes down rapidly and then raises back slowly, it’s a sign of hypothyroidism or thyroid hormone resistance. This is due to lack of ATP molecules to provide the energy for the contractual filaments to separate and relax, hence you get a visibly slow relaxation phase of the Achilles reflex.Here again is a classic thyroid indication that does not correlate with high TSH values. Unfortunately, this test (which used to be an established gold standard in thyroid testing) is no longer used because endocrinologists assume high TSH values must be present for hypothyroidism, which is not the case-but lab testing, like drugs, is big business, brining in billions of dollars
Thyroid Disease and Fibromyalgia, and the Treatments that Work for Both
Interestingly, inadequate thyroid hormone regulation may be one of the primary underlying factors in many patients with fibromyalgia.
Dr. Lowe explains:
“I had prior training as a research psychologist and was able to pull forth that training and enlist physicians on the research team. It was a loose net research team until it eventually became a non-profit organization called the Fibromyalgia Research Foundation.
Seven or eight years ago, I gave a presentation at the Fibromyalgia Coalition International based in Kansas City… I got there late and heard none of the other presentations.
When I gave my presentation, people began saying, “Dr. Lowe, you’ve used the word “integrative metabolic therapies” for getting patients free from chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia. It just so happens, every single one of the — at that point, considered alternative doctors — have said exactly the same things.”
Through their personal, clinical experiences they had come to the same conclusions we had. If they used metabolic integrative therapies, nutritional deficiencies, anti-inflammatory diet, exercise, getting off medications that impede metabolism, and possibly treating cortisol deficiency, possibly balancing sex hormones, and treating the patients with effective thyroid hormone therapy… They got the patients well.
I said the same thing they had said, but my experience was based on rigorous scientific testing. Their experience was based on intuition and the wisdom that comes from listening to patients and working with them.”
This is yet another potent testimony to the truthfulness of the theory that health is based on a few fundamental principles, and although you will typically address specific aspects of a disease, the bulk of the therapy is the same for ALL diseases:
- Eating a nutritious diet (a low-sugar, low-grain, mainly raw organic diet is optimally nutritious and anti-inflammatory)
- Exercising
- Normalizing hormones
- Avoiding medications (virtually all medications create further imbalances, hence the side effects and deterioration of health)
Creating health really isn’t rocket science. It’s just “returning to basics,” and although it may not be easy, it’s rather simple.
Logic and Deductive Reasoning in Medicine-A Novel Idea
Dr. Lowe’s research team came to the conclusion that the thyroid was involved with fibromyalgia through the use of a method called “deductively formulated theory,” which he calls the “ultimate logic of problem solving.” Unfortunately, this method is virtually never used in medicine, and it’s a rare scientist who truly understands it.
Dr. Lowe explains it as follows:
“[Y]ou take competitive theories or hypotheses about what causes something, then use the methods of mathematical physicists to show which hypothesis tops them all out.
Well, there simply is no competitor to inadequate thyroid hormone regulation that accounts for about 43 of the 46 subjectively verified findings in fibromyalgia — reduced brain blood flow, inhibitory alpha-2 adrenergic receptors, platelets that cause constriction of arterials and cold fingers… The list goes on.
If anybody looks at the method of deductively formulated theory and compare the inane serotonin deficiency hypothesis, which has been thoroughly refuted, there are no competitive theories.
… Hippocrates wrote about people with these symptoms and said, if these people will get a reasonable amount of physical activity, stop eating the trash the aristocrats eat and start eating vegetables and fruits, they’ll recover. Nothing has really changed there.
What we learned about fibromyalgia patients is that one set of symptoms: chronic aching and pain that lasts for three months or longer, and abnormal tenderness with associated symptoms (there are 12 of them), are all classic hypothyroid symptoms. It’s just another of what we call a clinical phenotype…
[M]ost [fibromyalgia] patients are either hypothyroid or thyroid hormone resistant.”
Thyroid Hormone-The Missing Ingredient in Fibromyalgia Treatment
Dr. Lowe’s extensive experience with treating patients with both thyroid disease and fibromyalgia has led him to come to some startling conclusions. One, that thyroid dysfunction is a component of fibromyalgia, and second, that the conventional thyroid test is typically useless in making a diagnosis.
Instead, he recommends simply treating fibromyalgia with thyroid hormone until the symptoms improve.
“We give patients monitoring forms. One of those forms is the 20 most common symptoms of thyroid hormone over-stimulation,” he explains.
… [P]atients record their basal body temperature and their basal pulse rate. The pulse rate in most of these patients is too low for their levels of cardiovascular conditioning. It’s under-regulation of the thyroid. Some of them are bradycardic (less than 50-60 beats per minute).
If weight is an issue, they measure their weight after getting out of bed before consuming any liquid or solid, along with temperature and pulse rate. We have a lot of symptom severity scales where they estimate the intensity of their symptoms. They fill out this form at least three times a week.
Then, it’s easy for us to chart the data on line graphs. We can see, as the dosage increases, are the data points moving in the right direction? Is the temperature rising properly? Is the pulse rate coming up so that it’s more appropriate to that person’s level of cardiovascular conditioning?”
A one-line summary of Dr. Lowe’s research would be that thyroid hormone is the missing ingredient in the treatment of fibromyalgia that is nearly universally overlooked.
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Robert: This news that you posted is so sickening. But you’re right on. The racism and greed is getting the best of them, now not just at the expense of the American people, but at the expense of their own children. If one can will let racism and greed rule over their own, there is no holding back on what they will do to others.
Emily: It does take time, but the connection to my readers is just as important to me, and warrants the time needed too. :)
Anonymous #4: Hey S. ”T” is a firecracker, which is what I loved about her. We had some fun and that part I really miss. I HOPE all is well with you.
Zen Lill: Thanks for your opinion. Interested in that book that Anonz suggested to read – what was the title? Anyway, I have a solid booked week, which I am very pleased about, so chitchatting will be challenging. If I get a free moment to breathe in between appointments, I’ll give you a try. HOPEfully we’ll connect.
Ruth: I just wanted to say hello and send big hugs and kisses to you and yours.
Lea: Love your new title. Please do tell when you discover something. Hafa Adai.
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Peace out….
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February 28th, 2011 at 10:08 am
To know how to say what other people only think is what makes men poets and sages; and to dare to say what others only dare to think, makes men martyrs or reformers, or both. Elizabeth Rundle Charles, writer (1828-1896)
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I would add…. to dare to say what others only dare to think, makes interesting read here.
February 28th, 2011 at 10:35 am
What I like about the human body is the taste of their bones. Unlike most space delicacies, earthlings have living bone.
Your bones are constantly growing. Hence human bone is almost always fresh. When shipped if the skeleton is kept alive it will arrive fresh and very delicious.
On earth the taste is second to none. Me, I like to strip all the fat away and just dine on the bone.
Don’t become alarmed we are a peaceful race. We only dine on the dead from your wars or conflict. Of course we secure the corpses before the skeleton dies to prevent hardening of the bones.
We read this blog to encourage us not to become predators. We are content to farm the dead.
vilim
February 28th, 2011 at 10:39 am
Very nicely said Anonymous#2. To envy the cleverness of others is another reason to peruse this blog.
Your way with the word is something to envy and enjoy.
Uma
February 28th, 2011 at 11:22 am
11) BIBLE
?A little boy opened the big family Bible. He was fascinated as he fingered through the old pages.
Suddenly, something fell out of the Bible. He picked up the object and looked at it. What he saw was an old leaf that had been pressed in between the pages.
?”Mama, look what I found,” the boy called out.?” What have you got there, dear?” The mother asked. ?With astonishment in the young boy’s voice, he answered, “I think it’s Adam’s peepee cover.”
February 28th, 2011 at 11:48 am
Hi Mischa, I’m wondering how i missed this video, timely in pposting, I won’t elaborate : )
glenn, dreaming is delightful, I call it my other life as I often have vivid adventures and can remember exact happenings there. Thanks for the useful insights. I often have a depth perception thing with these human eyes also, it’s especially a drag when skiing in flat light though I’ve learned how to compensate, hope you have also bc tripping 10″ off a curb is a lot further than 3″ and you can hurt your ankle or are you immune to things like that? Ankle twisting, sprains, etc…
Ruth, I knew what I wrote would get your attention : ) so thank you for the update on Anonz, I wish for his quick recovery. I understand why he would be dictating comments to be left here, and no, they were not dictated to me nor forwarded to me. I am sorry I didn’t investigate the hint he left me so long ago, would you tell him that please? Ask him if he can feel the ZL healing vibe that I send his way bc I know that man is always up to his eyeballs in trouble : ) of course, he goes where needed to do what’s necessary and now that I know what i know I understand it completely. I wonder if he will always have to stay on the run though…a very low profile for a very long time might be his only option if he would like to live, just my opinion though, he may believe otherwise.
I understand the fascination with the growing baby belly, it’s quite a phenomena when you think about it, a serious everyday miracle with everyday evidence of that everyday miracle : ) and it is especially miraculous on one particular day in the not so distant future : ) just writing that is making my ovaries squeeze, would love to hold a baby right now…
Sharilyn, thank you for extending the ‘civil discourse’ thing between AD and I, although asking someone to fuck off is pretty uncivil, oops. I’m open to listening to things about myself though I could sense the pyschic energy behind her words had no intention of a helpful nature, she just wanted to ‘out’ me as what she believes to be true of me, so be it, if she’d like to think I’m a head case who needs daddy’s approval, that’e her biz. Now, if she would like civil discourse with me, she could clear her head and think helpful intentional thoughts and I’d feel it and respond accordingly. I’m incredibly intuitive and when I read a comment, I either feel nothing meaning it’s ‘info entering’ or I feel something i.e. the emotion and/or the intention of the writer and I felt that one big time. I find it questionable when someone indicates that ‘your head needs examining for at least ten years’ hmm, really, how would you gauge that length of time, and is that with 2 or 3x’s a week visits to be effective or oh, I can think of a myriad of questions around that statement, so what ‘exactly’ is the intent? um, nothing good I assure you…so let’s let it go…
Vlim or vilim,, seems to me the way our species is going you will always have a surplus of bones to eat, happy munching!
Kenny, again, I’d say thank you but uh, you know, it might be taken that I’m kissing male ass : ) and so I just have one question: are you my daddy? jk…
Jacob, not to worry, no one person ever will knock me off my game, ever…it is odd to think that Israeli soldiers discuss my comments, I like that though. though even knowing that would never change how i comment or what I choose to comment on. I will remain ZL under all conditions.
The pics, hmm, I have thought about that and only put it on hold bc of stalker googling of me and my computer crash which lost everything and all that, now I will verify that I’m free and clear on all those fronts and start anew, stay tuned.
Misch, almost forgot, the book Anonz recommended months prior to the hint was ‘Trading with the Enemy’ 1983, cannot remember authors name sorry…found it at the library though and so can you…!
Luv, Zen Lill
February 28th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
Forgot….
Larry, thanks that was funny : )
and Carrie, how do you know there’s not a woman who’s not taking in all the rambunctious (as well as the calm) bull cock she can but is avoiding get arrested and her head shrunk (maybe she doesn’t want counseling either : ) hahaha or wait, did i just give another example of the female side of things, ah well…it is a funny thought, no? (I mean, really, let’s lighten up a little, shall we?)
- ZL
February 28th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Boggzy, I am eternally grateful – the coconut latte’ is amazing…I’m about to have another. Mwah to you, dude, ZL
February 28th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
How do you access the blog entries prior to June 2007? I am new and interested in reading from the beginning. Thank you. Newbie
February 28th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Yes, We celebrate Mardi Gras on Guam too.
http://www.guampdn.com/article/20110301/ENTERTAINMENT07/103010304
Hafa Adai
Anna
February 28th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
What I like about posing as a human is their bodies are so pleasurable. Men do some wonderful things to my body when we are having sex. Women do incredible things to my body leading up to when we have sex.
My husband doesn’t know of course. He thinks I am this wonderful woman who hardly ages and fucks him so good. The problem with being monogamous with men is that they come and go.
I have to wait when my urges are just getting started. With women we can go on until I get a full charge. But even they tire before I have complete satisfaction.
It is difficult to get two women to make a threesome, but if it is a man and two women, no problem. I still can’t understand the dynamics of that.
So I am left to affairs. My husband of 17 years is 52.
Erica
February 28th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Howie, the more I read through this blog, I’m liking you less and less. You are a fraud, pretending to act here for “the good.” Your name is fraudulent and some of the experiences you write about are fraudulent too. Now, today, going forward, I ask you to stop sharing details of MY life, which you aren’t even bothering to tell 100% accurately. I do not find it funny you relate some of these experiences as your own. I point out that I am not the only Being to have asked you to stop sharing so much information.
If he is sanctioning your garbage, Carr can kiss my ass. (I really write that because I know he likes my ass and I didn’t mind too much, not at all, when he did kiss it.) It’s more likely he is just amused by your “free will.”
But I am not. I’m thinking perhaps its time to see my lawyer. No doubt, your ex-wife isn’t getting paid nearly enough.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
I respect Nelly so much more now. If only Beyonce would get in line:
Canadian pop singer Nelly Furtado says she was paid $1 million to perform for members of Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi’s “clan” in 2007, but she now intends to donate the money to charity. While other stars who reportedly performed for Gadhafi’s family have kept mum, Furtado volunteered the information about her performance on Twitter.
“In 2007, I received 1million$ from the (Gadhafi) clan to perform a 45 min. Show for guests at a hotel in Italy,” she wrote on Monday. “I am going to donate the $.”
February 28th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
Anonymous 12:
First of all, I do not care how much you like me.
Second, I am anything but a fraud. My credibility has been established firmly on this blog.
Whatever I write has nothing to do with you or your life. I do not know you nor do I care to.
Go see your lawyer.
HOWIE
February 28th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
Oh Howie – “your” credibility has been established on this ANONYMOUS blog? Har Har. Seems to me its Carr’s credibility that has been established, you’re just regurgitating. Go ahead and project to your women admirers here what a great “man” you are. We both know that’s never been your strong suit in real life as far as women are concerned. As for credibility, I could discuss lots of things about Carr but I don’t need credibility by the readers here. You know exactly who I am. Feign ignorance all you want. It doesn’t change the facts, Mr. Storyteller.
I am Anonymous 12
February 28th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
Harmony;
Why is it whites expect OTWs to give up shit for their angst? I didn’t hear you tell McEnroe and Palmer and the tens of thousands of white performers to give anything back when they entertained the white apartheid set up in Rhodesia and South Africa.
Whites went to Africa with guns and tanks to rape, murder, and terrorize the Africans into submission. Then they enslaved the population and brought in their evil race to operate under apartheid.
But white governments allowed them to participate in the Olympics, trade with them and whatever else they wanted to do.
I guess it is alright with the UN if whites are the enslavers. But that may not be alright with Beyonce and other thinking OTWs. So you could just about guess where she would tell you to stick your request.
I don’t hear you asking the white entertainers who performed at the Grand Ole Oprey in Nashville when it was segregated to donate their earnings to charity.
You can be certain your white race was way more cruel and murderous to OTWs in America than Gadhafi has been to his people.
IF I were Beyonce I’d tell you where you could stick your hypocritical advice. This is what Gadhafi is talking about when he tells America to stay our of his country’s internal affairs.
America hardly has a leg to stand on. You have a republican party that all but calls your fairly elected black President of the USA a fraud.
Something that could legitimately have been said about Bush since he purchased his first election from Scalia. And stole the second by manipulating the count made by computers.
Those of us who could not respect that fraud were reminded to remain civil and respect the office of the Presidency. Whites pretended to respect the office then because it had only been occupied by white men. Now its fuck the office if you can’t respect the man.
And you have a Tea party invented by the rich to encourage the poor white trash that they can return the country to the times when white skin was the exclusive ticket to all the benefits America has to offer.
It would seem that there are plenty of wrongs to right right here. But you cast your vision towards Gadhafi to fix his people’s needs.
HELLO!
You have plenty of disenfranchised people right here to fight for.
Robert
February 28th, 2011 at 7:41 pm
Howie:
Ignore that charlatan. He is obviously jealous and wants to bask in the respect you have earned here.
Dean
February 28th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
Anonymous #12:
If your claim is that Howie is telling tells about you. How do you explain his knowledge of your deeds?
Then you rush in to call him names because you are jealous of the relationship he has with Carr.
If as you are implying you also know Carr, then why not take it up with Carr?
We see a clumsy attempt to demean Howie while raising your own statue. Sorry on this blog it is merit, truth, boldness of purpose, character and ambience that is rewarded with respect.
You seem to have confused those with bad manners. My advice: First establish your own credentials before you slander another’s.
Alycedale
February 28th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
Anonymous !2:
Interesting paradox. You put down this blog for being “ANONYMOUS” while clinging to the title of anonymous.
February 28th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
Robert, you are very good example of the pyschic energy I feel when I read a comment. I actually feel the extreme angst bc you know and feel that people will not open their eyes and the frustration that goes along with that vibrates all the way over here. I admire your writing and its fervor.
I have not formulated a cohesive outline for disclosure yet but I will only comment with this – that whites who are killing their kids with vaccinations are as expendable as most OTW’s to the serious ptb, isn’t it shocking that those whites can still delude themselves that they mean anything, or that they are somehow superior to OTW’s? Mischa wrote about it here before once but eugenics will systemically and Darwinistically weed out whatever is unnecessary. I use the term whatever rather than whoever bc to the ptb, well, low level peeps are just that, unnecessary, so – whatever, they’re relegated to being a cog in a wheel not a person, white or OTW.
As I stated earlier today/yesterday, they do not think like we do, no matter how different you think we all think from each other, this is more than one step removed and there is some high ranking disassociative behavior and altered states going on. I’ll get to explaining some more of that when I can establish how to tie some seemingly very unrelated things together and do it without sounding like a over the top conspiracy theorist…credibility is key and as I research and research and then research more, those that wrote those links hidden within the links and hidden within those links, etc…I have found that some of the authors are dead through mysterious offings, some are on the run, some have been majorly discredited/arrested under trumped up charges and/or are amongst the newly minted ‘nut jobs’ and so for that reason I will offer up smaller bites as I go along…and Anonz and whoever he’s dictating his writing to can jump in anytime…
…that’s it folks, luv, Zen Lill, back into my rabbit hole…
February 28th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
A12
Are we supposed to take your word for it that ” As for credibility, I could discuss lots of things about Carr but I don’t need credibility by the readers here.”?
You may not need credibility by the readers here, but it is here that Carr is discussed. So if you can not back up your claim. You have no credibility here.
Without it your rantings will fall on deaf ears. So unless you are writing in to this “ANONYMOUS” blog to exercise your fingers, you had better attempt to establish some credibility. Or you can go to a less “ANONYMOUS” blog where credibility is not required.
As it stands this “ANONYMOUS blog will continue and you will not be missed. That can hardly be said for Howie. His name arises often in his absence.
If you are reading back issues, then you are very much aware of his popularity. Hence the jealousy and hostility towards him.
Relax, there is plenty of room for adulation for you too. Began anew with a new moniker. Be a bit more civil and tell your story.
Barry
February 28th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Zen Lill
I’m excited by your research. But forgive me but what does ptb stand for?
Please keep us informed. But for god’s sake stay safe.
Anon 12. You may need to take the advice the Main Dude often gives to George.
Take your meds
Jose
February 28th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
Alycedale, get over yourself talking about bad manners. I read the nastiness you spit at ZL. I could never take you seriously after the psychobabble you threw up. For anyone thinking like you do, I take this up with Howie because its Howie who is telling pieces of my story. It is Howie I am irritated with. No doubt Carr just finds this entertaining. Further, I have no need to establish credentials with the likes of you or any other low based beings on this site. I have no need to raise my own statue (sic) (did you mean stature or status?). My “statue” is already known by those that have the need to know.
Anthony, nice try but if I told you who I was, I’d have to kill you. I would suggest you be satisfied with …
I am Anonymous 12
February 28th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Enlighten me Anonymous 12. Why does Howie’s storytelling bother you so much?
Mildred
February 28th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
A12, I believe Carr is not the only one who finds this entertaining. I’m sure enjoying it. You go girl.
February 28th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
Anon#12, if Howie is lying why do you demand that he stop sharing so much information?
How can he share something that is not true?
February 28th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Anonymous #12
It sounds like you could use some psychological help also. Visions of grandeur come to mind for starters.
Speaking of taking one seriously, do you think anyone takes you that way? If it is so unimportant to you that they do why are you coming across so angry?
If I were to venture a guess with my “psychobabble” I would peg you as a spurned woman, at least in your mind.
As for getting over myself, does the phrase “the pot talking about the kettle” mean anything to you?
Actually I meant all three, you seem to be in dire need in all of them. And contrary to your denials, it does seem that you are in need of this blog recognizing whomever you claim to be.
Meds won’t help you in the statue department, but if your hurry to your cabinet you may be able to increase the latter two, at least in your own mind.
You know, I’m starting to enjoy this tete a tete with you. You have more fire in discourse. Zen Lill couldn’t take the heat.
I’m guessing you are gay like me. A woman probably beautiful and used to being less vocal with the ladies than you are with us here on the blog.
So let’s get it on.
Alycedale
In the interest of establishing credibility, I must confess that I am a bi. I’m white and many say beautiful. I am very partial to big dick or rather to those with them and who know how to use their god given asset. Race, creed, or religious ideology is of no concern to me unless I am being stalked for conversion.
When it comes to women although I am partial to wooing the straights, I take them as they come.
February 28th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
Anonymous 12:
Please explain to us here in Japan what part of Howie’s comments to this blog is a piece of your story. We are intrigued by the logic and order in Howie’s tells.
Eiko say you sound as if you are not human. If so, why do you dislike us so?
Hanako
February 28th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
Robert why do you assume I’m white? I only posted my opinion that I have a new found respect for Nelly for recognizing dirty money. I would respect her even more if she stated where she was donating the money to and especially if it went to helping the people Qaddafi stole the money from in the first place. I brought up Beyonce because she made money off him too. She certainly doesn’t need the money and could make an example. I do appreciate the things you said but i feel they were misdirected towards me. I think you went off on a tangent.