‘This American Life’ Retracts Mike Daisey Story About Foxconn Factory Visit
Posted by Michelle Moquin on March 17th, 2012
Good morning!
If you are a fan of public radio, like I am, you may have heard a story aired back in January on “This American Life”, titled, “Mr. Daisey Goes to the Apple Factory”. It speaks of the harsh working conditions of Foxconn’s massive Shenzen factory in China. Now we find out that the featured story was filled with lies.
‘This American Life’ Retracts Mike Daisey Story About Foxconn Factory Visit
Radio program “This American Life” (TAL) has retracted a “partially fabricated” story about author and actor Mike Daisey’s visit to Foxconn factories in China.
The retraction was announced on Friday (the same day that Apple’s latest iPad went on sale) in a blog post by show host Ira Glass. “We’re horrified to have let something like this onto public radio,” wrote Glass.
The blog post said that Daisey’s story about Foxconn’s massive Shenzen factory “contained significant fabrications.”
“We’re retracting the story because we can’t vouch for its truth,” Glass continued. “This is not a story we commissioned. It was an excerpt of Mike Daisey’s acclaimed one-man show ‘The Agony and the Ecstasy of Steve Jobs,’ in which he talks about visiting a factory in China that makes iPhones and other Apple products.”
The episode, titled “Mr. Daisey Goes to the Apple Factory,” aired on January 6 and detailed harsh working conditions in factories where employees assemble popular Apple devices and was excerpted from Daisey’s one-man stage performance “The Agony and the Ecstasy of Steve Jobs.” Daisey claims to have met with underage workers, as well as workers suffering from Hexane poisoning. TAL’s airing of the episode was a huge hit with audiences and was downloaded over 888,000, according to a press release attached to Glass’ blog post on Friday.
The episode inspired a high-profile petition on Change.org that demanded Apple guarantee ethical treatment for factory workers in China and has thus far garnered over 250,000 signatures. The New York Times on January 26 published a damning story about apparent worker abuses at Apple supplier factories. On February 13, Apple announced that it had enlisted the Fair Labor Association to investigate worker conditions inside Chinese supplier factories, including several owned by Foxconn.
Daisey took to his personal blog on Friday to respond to TAL’s retraction of the episode. Wrote Daisey,
I stand by my work. My show is a theatrical piece whose goal is to create a human connection between our gorgeous devices and the brutal circumstances from which they emerge. It uses a combination of fact, memoir, and dramatic license to tell its story, and I believe it does so with integrity. Certainly, the comprehensive investigations undertaken by The New York Times and a number of labor rights groups to document conditions in electronics manufacturing would seem to bear this out. [...] What I do is not journalism.
Glass alleges in his blog post that Daisey “lied” to TAL staffers who fact-checked the details of the story and said he will interview Daisey about these incidents in the show’s next episode. A transcript of the exchange will be posted online along with audio on Friday, March 16.
UPDATE: The Associated Press reports on the Friday night interview between Daisey and Glass:
In this weekend’s “This American Life,” Daisey tells Glass he felt conflicted about presenting things that he knew weren’t true. But he said he felt “trapped” and was afraid people would no longer care about the abuses at the factories if he didn’t present things in a dramatic way.
“I’m not going to say that I didn’t take a few shortcuts in my passion to be heard,” he tells Glass.
Plus more – a response from Ira Glass:
Ira writes:
I have difficult news. We’ve learned that Mike Daisey’s story about Apple in China – which we broadcast in January – contained significant fabrications. We’re retracting the story because we can’t vouch for its truth. This is not a story we commissioned. It was an excerpt of Mike Daisey’s acclaimed one-man show “The Agony and the Ecstasy of Steve Jobs,” in which he talks about visiting a factory in China that makes iPhones and other Apple products.
The China correspondent for the public radio show Marketplace tracked down the interpreter that Daisey hired when he visited Shenzhen China. The interpreter disputed much of what Daisey has been saying on stage and on our show. On this week’s episode of This American Life, we will devote the entire hour to detailing the errors in “Mr. Daisey Goes to the Apple Factory.”
Daisey lied to me and to This American Life producer Brian Reed during the fact checking we did on the story, before it was broadcast. That doesn’t excuse the fact that we never should’ve put this on the air. In the end, this was our mistake.
We’re horrified to have let something like this onto public radio. Many dedicated reporters and editors – our friends and colleagues – have worked for years to build the reputation for accuracy and integrity that the journalism on public radio enjoys. It’s trusted by so many people for good reason. Our program adheres to the same journalistic standards as the other national shows, and in this case, we did not live up to those standards.
A press release with more details about all this is below. We’ll be posting the audio of the program and the transcript on Friday night this week, instead of waiting till Sunday.
This American Life Retracts Story
Says It Can’t Vouch for the Truth of Mike Daisey’s Monologue about Apple in China
This American Life and American Public Media’s Marketplace will reveal that a story first broadcast in January on This American Life contained numerous fabrications.
This American Life will devote its entire program this weekend to detailing the errors in the story, which was an excerpt of Mike Daisey’s critically acclaimed one-man show, “The Agony and the Ecstasy of Steve Jobs.” In it, Daisey tells how he visited a factory owned by Foxconn that manufactures iPhones and iPads in Shenzhen China. He has performed the monologue in theaters around the country; it’s currently at the Public Theater in New York. Tonight’s This American Life program will include a segment from Marketplace’s Rob Schmitz, and interviews with Daisey himself. Marketplace will feature a shorter version of Schmitz’s report earlier in the evening.
When the original 39-minute excerpt was broadcast on This American Life on January 6, 2012, Marketplace China Correspondent Rob Schmitz wondered about its truth. Marketplace had done a lot of reporting on Foxconn and Apple’s supply chain in China in the past, and Schmitz had first-hand knowledge of the issues. He located and interviewed Daisey’s Chinese interpreter Li Guifen (who goes by the name Cathy Lee professionally with westerners). She disputed much of what Daisey has been telling theater audiences since 2010 and much of what he said on the radio.
During fact checking before the broadcast of Daisey’s story, This American Life staffers asked Daisey for this interpreter’s contact information. Daisey told them her real name was Anna, not Cathy as he says in his monologue, and he said that the cell phone number he had for her didn’t work any more. He said he had no way to reach her.
“At that point, we should’ve killed the story,” says Ira Glass, Executive Producer and Host of This American Life. “But other things Daisey told us about Apple’s operations in China checked out, and we saw no reason to doubt him. We didn’t think that he was lying to us and to audiences about the details of his story. That was a mistake.”
The response to the original episode, “Mr. Daisey and the Apple Factory,” was significant. It quickly became the single most popular podcast in This American Life’s history, with 888,000 downloads (typically the number is 750,000) and 206,000 streams to date. After hearing the broadcast, listener Mark Shields started a petition calling for better working conditions for Apple’s Chinese workers, and soon delivered almost a quarter-million signatures to Apple.
The same month the episode aired, The New York Times ran a front-page investigative series about Apple’s overseas manufacturing, and there were news reports about Foxconn workers threatening group suicide in a protest over their treatment.
Faced with all this scrutiny of its manufacturing practices, Apple announced that for the first time it will allow an outside third party to audit working conditions at those factories and – for the first time ever – it released a list of its suppliers.
Mike Daisey, meanwhile, became one of the company’s most visible and outspoken critics, appearing on television and giving dozens of interviews about Apple.
Some of the falsehoods found in Daisey’s monologue are small ones: the number of factories Daisey visited in China, for instance, and the number of workers he spoke with. Others are large. In his monologue he claims to have met a group of workers who were poisoned on an iPhone assembly line by a chemical called n-hexane. Apple’s audits of its suppliers show that an incident like this occurred in a factory in China, but the factory wasn’t located in Shenzhen, where Daisey visited.
“It happened nearly a thousand miles away, in a city called Suzhou,” Marketplace’s Schmitz says in his report. “I’ve interviewed these workers, so I knew the story. And when I heard Daisey’s monologue on the radio, I wondered: How’d they get all the way down to Shenzhen? It seemed crazy, that somehow Daisey could’ve met a few of them during his trip.”
In Schmitz’s report, he confronts Daisey and Daisey admits to fabricating these characters.
“I’m not going to say that I didn’t take a few shortcuts in my passion to be heard,” Daisey tells Schmitz and Glass. “My mistake, the mistake I truly regret, is that I had it on your show as journalism, and it’s not journalism. It’s theater.”
Daisey’s interpreter Cathy also disputes two of the most dramatic moments in Daisey’s story: that he met underage workers at Foxconn, and that a man with a mangled hand was injured at Foxconn making iPads (and that Daisey’s iPad was the first one he ever saw in operation). Daisey says in his monologue:
He’s never actually seen one on, this thing that took his hand. I turn it on, unlock the screen, and pass it to him. He takes it. The icons flare into view, and he strokes the screen with his ruined hand, and the icons slide back and forth. And he says something to Cathy, and Cathy says, “he says it’s a kind of magic.”
Cathy Lee tells Schmitz that nothing of the sort occurred.
“In our original broadcast, we fact checked all the things that Daisey said about Apple’s operations in China,” says Glass, “and those parts of his story were true, except for the underage workers, who are rare. We reported that discrepancy in the original show. But with this week’s broadcast, we’re letting the audience know that too many of the details about the people he says he met are in dispute for us to stand by the story. I suspect that many things that Mike Daisey claims to have experienced personally did not actually happen, but listeners can judge for themselves.”
“It was completely wrong for me to have it on your show,” Daisey tells Glass on the program, “and that’s something I deeply regret.” He also expressed his regret to “the people who are listening, the audience of This American Life, who know that it is a journalism enterprise, if they feel betrayed.”
This American Life and its home station WBEZ Chicago had been planning a live presentation of Daisey’s monologue on stage at the Chicago Theatre on April 7th, with Glass leading a Q&A afterwards. That show will be cancelled and all tickets will be refunded.
This American Life episode will air on WBEZ at 8pm EST/7pm CST tonight and will also be available to stream and download on thisamericanlife.org at that time. It can be heard on public radio stations around the country this weekend.
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March 17th, 2012 at 10:13 am
“Doug Widely Known Previously As The Main Dude,” Doug, no longer the Main Dude and just too damn Narcissistic to give a damn about what using that title says, you need to find another title dude.
I bet you don’t make any reference to your past relationship to Michelle in any other medium you use to make yourself known to other via the net.
Charles
March 17th, 2012 at 10:19 am
I was bullied a lot in middle school. Five years ago, it got so bad that four guys came up behind me, called me awful names and slammed my hand in my locker, breaking my finger. The worst part is, I felt so terrified and alone that I couldn’t even tell my parents the truth about what happened.
So when I saw the new documentary Bully, which was produced to stop bullying, it felt so good to know that the filmmakers were telling the stories of kids like me.
I think that every kid should see Bully. That’s why I was shocked to learn that it was given an “R” rating because some of the bullies in the film use bad words.
Two weeks ago, I started a petition on Change.org asking the Motion Picture Association of America to change Bully’s rating to PG-13. More than 300,000 people have joined me. Click here to sign now.
The past two weeks have been incredible. I’ve been on CNN, MSNBC, FOX News, CBS, and The Ellen Show. Celebrities like Ellen DeGeneres, Meryl Streep, Johnny Depp, Justin Bieber, Randy Jackson, Demi Lovato, and Drew Brees — as well as 29 members of Congress, led by Rep. Mike Honda — have said publicly that they agree with my campaign.
But even after all that, the MPAA hasn’t budged. I got to meet with one of their executives last week, and she told me that they have to keep things “consistent.”
Maybe she thought that I would give up, or that I’m just 17, so how much can I really change anyway? But I know that if we keep up the pressure, the MPAA will have no choice but to admit that being “consistent” isn’t as important as letting kids see a movie that could literally save lives.
Thanks for your help. Knowing that all these people are standing with me, I don’t feel alone or afraid anymore.
-Katy
March 17th, 2012 at 10:22 am
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If you’re one of the millions who have a family history of cardiovascular disease (CVD), then you already know that you’re at increased risk for CVD yourself —
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But according to a new study, there is something that you can do — and it won’t just reduce your genetic risk, but it can practically cancel it out altogether.
Even better, it’s something that’s so easy to do that it’s almost laughable — eat at least five servings of fruits and vegetables a day.
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HEALTHY FOODS = A HEALTHY HEART
Researchers from McMaster and McGill Universities in Canada examined results from two large previous studies. One was the Canadian-led INTERHEART study, which collected information from more than 8,000 men and women around the world —
some had had heart attacks and some were controls of similar ages with no history of heart disease.
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What the two studies had in common was that they both collected DNA samples from participants as well as self-reported information about their dietary habits.
For the new analysis, researchers noted whether participants carried a variant in the chromosome 9p21 — a known genetic risk factor for CVD — and examined their diets to see if what they ate had any impact on whether or not they developed CVD.
What they discovered: The risk of CVD in people with the gene variant who ate the highest amounts of fruits and raw vegetables was similar to the risk in people without the high-risk gene variant who also ate a diet high in fruits and vegetables. These findings were published in the October 2011 issue of PLoS Medicine.
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To find out more about why eating fruits and veggies can make such a powerful difference when it comes to protecting your ticker, I spoke with joint principal investigator of the study Sonia Anand, MD, PhD, professor of medicine and epidemiology at McMaster’s Michael G.
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March 17th, 2012 at 10:29 am
I’m probably just biased because Michelle reminds me of the beautiful Indian women I left behind to work here in America, but I have to agree with Charles.
Doug, it is a bit unseemly for you to continue to refer to your past privileges with Michelle, when posting on her blog. I checked your link and I didn’t see any mention of your past relationship with Michelle there.
I know that this has come up previously and you chose your new reference. I personally think it is worst that just continuing to use your previous moniker.
While Michelle hasn’t weighted in on the opinions on the matter, I seriously doubt you have discussed this with her. This might be the time to have that conversation.
Devdas
March 17th, 2012 at 10:33 am
On your topic Michelle, I got this.
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Apparently, he took the Apple’s Supplier Responsibility reports and dramatized them, taking credit for the job Apple themselves had done. On top of that, he claimed it to be a journalistic piece.
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Lazy and opportunistic. Also stupid, did he think his bullshit wouldn’t hit the fan. Yesterday men wrote in about how stupid white women are, what does this say about the men?
Yeah
Lois
March 17th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Howie, I want to inform you that as I had said others are stealing your ideas but refuse to ever give you a nod.
I read a script that was only a thinly disguised attempt to hide your true authorship. Coming to the TV as a series.
So those of you who would demean my honest attempt at acknowledging Howie’s contribution can kiss my ass.
Not you Zen Lill, I know that you always mean well.
Kent
March 17th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
This is my first time writing in and I just have to say that you ladies are so right. I love the way It is a take no prisoners and stand up for your rights, type of blog. I support women all the way, and those repugs want to control everybody and everything. They want to have all the wealth and kill off the sick and poor.
So what do they do? They take away funds from every social program and funds needed to run this country for the people and they give tax cuts to the rich, to the banks, and to their cronies. The American People need to REVOLT.
Ever since the Bush Klan held power, this nation has gone to hell in a handbasket, they are all quilty of crimes against Humanity. War criminals and you and I are under attack. Voting won’t help, they have that rigged and locked in. We need to fight back, I would like to see all those repugs taken by the spacemen and disected. They have destroyed the quality of life for millions. What would motivate them to do this, and who says they have the right? Why are we waiting to act? God help us from these greedy vermin.
Simon
March 17th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Kent:
You are nuts. I am a poor disabled man who never had anything to do with anyone from Hollywood or I would be rich and famous.
You are dreaming aboout Howies that do not exist. I am still here doing what I do. I never wrote anything for anyone — NEVER.
HOWIE
March 17th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Michelle, if you would promise the protection of Madaline to any in Syria who will leave the mad man, it would certainly help to undermine that regime.
Dhakiyah
March 17th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Alycedale, I totally agree, I’m hoping its a typo on her part.
Ben, you aren’t really worth a rant. You’re as useless as the apparently stupid women you hang out with, but birds of a feather stick together or something like that.
Howie, I think Kent’s point is that there are others using your stories to pitch Hollywood and at least he came here to thank you for the ‘lift’ and while Mischa has a copyright protected, and loyal readers should honor it, it is a public blog and I have cut and pasted parts of the health tips and some comments myself when the archives were available. Others are using the info within to teach classes, write scripts/draft character sketches and I imagine we regulars are pretty good fodder. I’m not condoning Kent’s actions, I’m just saying that I knew it would happen eventually…it’s the risk you take when you write about things here, I suppose. I once wanted to write a treatment, too…it was back in the Azza days, I miss that time – even now.
Mischa, maybe when your busy you could repost some of the health info and general info’s…? There was/is always some good info posted here and without archives (my computer crashed without a backup on those docs) there’s no access. Just a thought…
I hope you all read both links I left yesterday, the HuffPo article is an interesting one, I assure you.
Have a great weekend, Zen Lill
March 17th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Michelle: Due to my accident I will probably not be commenting very often. My computer desk never was very ergomatic and now my wheelchair does not allow me confortable access. I am not leaving for good, at least I don’t plan to, but this is painful to reach keyboard and still be able to read screen.
Bye-Bye,
Al
March 17th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Zen Lill:
After reading Kent’s comment I did not see anything about his thanking me for anything. I read that I was accused of writing a TV series hiding my true authorship. To me that means I am being sneaky making a deal under a pseudonym.
I love that my comments are used to help teach classes, warn people in other countries so they can use whatever they need for their liberation from dictators and help with peace and wasted life by terrorists.
Aliens have used my comments for warnings or help and I feel happy that I could assist aliens in difficult situations in any way possible.
The only way to put an end to humans stealing my comments outright and using them for profit such as writing a TV series is to stop giving away any information to this forum. Hence, whomever stole or purchased my work will not be doing it any more.
Whatever happened to integrity? It cannot be found here.
HOWIE
March 17th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Howie, you must need glasses or you have a some kind of personal complex. I never accused you or writing a TV series or anything.
As for me thanking you, you really are a self centered need to be appreciated person. How many times a day do you need to be thanked. Or will nothing short of me getting on my knees and sucking your dick please you.
Damn man with a talent like yours one would think you would have a better sense of self worth.
Kent
March 17th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Howie, I love your Alien chronicles, but you must live in a bubble. People steal, borrow or just copy.
This is the real world of the blog. It is share or be stolen from.
John
March 17th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Howie, Kent was implying that someone other than him was stealing from your posts too. He was revealing that the person who wrote the upcoming pilot about earthlings taking over the earth had stolen some of their ideas from your posts.
He was NOT implying that you had sold your work to the series. Why would he? If you did it would have been your right. You can’t steal from yourself.
He was trying to excuse his own theft of your ideas by showing that others were doing it, i.e. the guy who wrote the new TV series.
Hope that clears it up for you.
Scott
March 18th, 2012 at 3:45 am
Men are known to take short cuts and then rather than own up to their lies when caught they do as Daisey did, they excuse themselves with bullshit.
Leaves one to suspect that “Man Up” actually means “Let the bullshit roll.”
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