Will Your Vote Count?
Posted by Michelle Moquin on May 31st, 2012
Good morning!
Vivian: I just heard about this on KPFA (I think) the other day. This topic is so important because this massive disenfranchisement could have a major affect on the vote in Florida. This was also on the Ed Show last week:
In light of Elliot’s comment and in support Mike, TM’s comment, and because not enough can be said about this, I am posting an article from back in 2009 that is quite illuminating. Even if voters can get to the polls, we still need to be concerned as to whether their votes will be counted toward the candidate they actually voted for and marked on the ballot.
Your Electronic Vote in the 2010 Election Has Just Been Bought
Thursday 24 September 2009
Unless US Attorney General Eric Holder intervenes, your electronic vote in 2010 will probably be owned by the Republican-connected ES&S Corporation. With 80% ownership of America’s electronic voting machines, ES&S could have the power to shape America’s future with a few proprietary keystrokes.
ES&S has just purchased the voting machine division of the Ohio-based Diebold, whose role in fixing the 2004 presidential election for George W. Bush is infamous. (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2004/03/diebolds-political-machine)
Critics of the merger hope Holder will rescind the purchase on anti-trust grounds.
But only a transparent system totally based on hand-counted paper ballots, with universal automatic voter registration, can get us even remotely close to a reliable vote count in the future.
For even if Holder does void this purchase, ES&S and Diebold will still control four of every five votes cast on touchscreen machines. As the US Supreme Court seems poised to open the floodgates on corporate campaign spending, the only difference could be that those who would buy our elections will have to write two checks instead of one.
And in fact, it’s even worse than that. ES&S, Diebold and a tiny handful of sibling Republican voting equipment and computing companies control not only the touchscreen machines, but also the electronic tabulators that count millions of scantron ballots, AND the electronic polling books that decide who gets to vote and who doesn’t.
Let’s do a quick review:
1) ES&S, Diebold and other companies tied to election hardware and software are owned and operated by a handful of very wealthy conservatives, or right-to-life ideologues, with long-standing direct ties to the Republican Party;
2) As votes will be increasingly cast on optiscans, touchscreens or computer voting machines in the United States in 2010, what scant few so-called paper trail mechanisms that are in place will offer little security against electronic vote theft;
3) The source code on all US touchscreen machines now used for the casting and counting of ballots is proprietary, meaning the companies that own and operate the machines—including ES&S—are not required to share with the public the details of how those machines actually work;
4) Although there are official mechanisms for monitoring and recounts, none carry any real weight in the face of the public’s inability to gain control or even access to this electronic source code, whose proprietary standing has been upheld by the courts;
5) With the newly merged ES&S/Diebold now apparently controlling 80% of the national vote through hardware and software, this GOP-connected corporation will have the power to alter virtually every election in the US with a few keystrokes. Unless there is a massive, successful grassroots campaign between now and 2012, the same will hold true for the next US presidential election;
6) Aside from its control of touchscreen machines, the merged Diebold/ES&S also controls a significant percent of the electronic optiscan tabulators used in this country with which voters use pencils to fill in circles indicating their vote. Accounts of fraud, rigging, theft and abuse of these optiscan systems are well-documented and innumerable. Any corporation that prints these ballots and runs the machines designated to count them can control yet another major piece of the US vote count;
7) The merged ES&S/Diebold now also controls the electronic voter registration systems in many counties and states. With that control comes the ability to remove registered voters without significant public accountability. In the 2004 election, nearly 25% of all the registered voters in the Democratic-rich city of Cleveland were purged, including 10,000 voters erased “accidentally” by a Diebold electronic pollbook system. So in addition to controlling the vote counts on touchscreen and optiscan voting machines, the merged Diebold/ES&S and sympathetic hardware and software companies that service computerized voting equipment will control who actually gets to cast a vote in the first place.
Lest we forget: in 2000, long before this ES&S/Diebold purchase was proposed, Choicepoint, a GOP-controlled data management firm, hired by Florida?s Republican Secretary of State Katherine Harris, removed up to 150,000 Florida citizens from voter rolls on the pretense that they were ex-felons. The vast majority of them were not. Computer software “disappeared” 16,000 votes from Al Gore’s column at a critical moment on election night, allowing George W. Bush?s first cousin John Ellis, a Fox News analyst, to proclaim him the winner. The election was officially decided by less than 700 votes and a 5-4 Supreme Court vote preventing a full recount. An independent audit later showed Gore was the rightful winner.
In 2004, more than 300,000 Ohio citizens were removed from voter rolls by GOP-controlled county election boards (more than one million have been removed since).
Various dirty tricks prevented still tens of thousands more Ohioans from voting. The vote count was marred by a wide range of official manipulations coordinated by then-Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell. Diebold was a major player in the 2004 Ohio elections, but was joined by numerous other computer voting firms and their technicians in “recounting the vote” which confirmed the Bush “victory,” despite exit poll results and other evidence to the contrary. In defiance of a federal court order, 56 of 88 Ohio counties destroyed some or all of their ballots or election records. No one has been prosecuted.
In short, the ES&S purchase of Diebold’s voting machine operation is merely the tip of a toxic iceberg. Voiding the merger will do nothing to solve the REAL problem, which is an electronic-based system of voter registration and ballot counting that is potentially controlled by private corporations and contractors whose agenda is to make large profits and protect the system that guarantees them.
Although elections based on universal automatic registration and hand-counted paper ballots are not foolproof, they constitute a start. Stealing an election by stuffing paper ballot boxes at the “retail” level is far more difficult than stealing votes at the “wholesale” level with an electronic flip of a switch.
As it’s done in in numerous other countries throughout the world, the only realistic means by which the US can establish a democratic system of ballot casting and counting is to do it the old-fashioned way. With human-scale checks and balances we might even be secure in the knowledge that our elections and vote counts will truly reflect the will of the people. What a concept!
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Readers: This was the warning given back on September 09, that the Democrats didn’t listen to. Are they listening now? And if they aren’t will there be a repeat of the 2010 Steal?
We better HOPE not. And I just want to add thanks to Mike, MT’s comment, it seems that Dems are privy to the fraud. But what will be done? HOPEing is not enough. This election is more important than 2008 and those that oppose know it, and will do anything and everything in their power to ensure they are successful and the White House goes back to being “white”. Sick, I know but from all that we read here, do not doubt it for one minute. This is not a time to sit back and be quiet.
Blog me, and do something.
Thank you.
George: Welcome. Thanks for commenting. And yes, you are correct, I do blame your party (republican) for the lack of product safety. But it seems that many republicans don’t seem to care about certain important issues, including health issues, until it happens in their own backyard. I am truly sorry to hear about your son. It seems that this is a wake-up call that has inspired you to think differently. I HOPE that you also question your party’s motives, and act differently.
Alycedale: I like the title. Well deserved for those that fit the description…and there are many…at least 30%. :)
Peace out.
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May 31st, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Jose, thank you though I did not think you were calling me a racist or bigot. To all who answered, just to be clear, I walked into my friend’s office, she is European, her Spaniard pal was going on about politics and our black president when I walked in, I said nothing, then she addressed me about the blacks in America being so different, she looked like she believed herself but when she said they had a chip on the shoulder bc of slavery here in US (adding ‘we in Spain never owned these people’) and they ‘act differently’ I asked ‘how so?’ to which she responded that here is US they are attitudinal and ‘uppity’ esp the women and that’s when I smiled mona lisa like and exchanged my body support product for a check with my friend and left. I did not feel compelled to educate her or to engage in a convo of this caliber with someone who’s world view is clearly in need of review.
I have to go back and reread Anonz’s/MikeTM comments now, want to make sure I have it straight before I say something that’s already been said.
Luv, Zen Lill
May 31st, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Closing time in Wisconsin
It’s go time in Wisconsin. Scott Walker is facing a heated recall election coming up on Tuesday and, if he can hold off Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, the conservative governor’s message of fiscal responsibility and sensible reform of collective bargaining will be reverberating nationwide. What this means in November, we shall see, but don’t count out the state of Wisconsin going in to the Romney column.
Gizzi will be on the ground in Madison next week, so expect great coverage from him as the votes are counted. In the meantime, must read analysis from Ann Coulter is below and our colleague Steven Greenhut.
More than half of living Medal of Honor Recipients have endorsed Romney
In case you missed Hope’s story late yesterday afternoon, it’s below. She spoke to former VA Secretary Anthony Principi who told her that over half the living MOH recipients have endorsed Mitt Romney for president. Read the whole story below.
Plus — Gizzi was at the White House yesterday and Obama’s FEMA chief, Craig Fugate, refused to attribute recent tornado activity to global warming. His story, and much more, is below.
Have a great Thursday and I’ll talk to you all tomorrow.
-Adam
May 31st, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Counting votes is an inherently government function that should not be outsourced to the lowest bidder who may have other conflicts with the overall purpose of conducting an accurate count of the votes.
Same with guarding US embassies or conducting its wars or interrogations of its enemies. Capitalism is great but there are just some places it doesn’t belong.
May 31st, 2012 at 3:32 pm
How to Tame Your Rage
Recently, while lunching with a close friend who is both sophisticated and tolerant, I remarked about the European financial crisis and the difficulty of resolving cross-cultural attitudes.
Well, you would have thought that I had thrown a firecracker across the table. My friend started to rant and carry on about what I had said, accusing some countries of “utter financial incompetence” and finally pronouncing in a loud, agitated voice that the whole idea of a European Union was “just idiotic”!
Wow, I thought. And then, suddenly, she stopped and fell silent, apparently more shocked by the torrent of rage she had unleashed than even I was.
Where does rage like that come from? When we find ourselves barking at the grocery-store clerk, threatening our kids after a minor infraction or, for that matter, yelling at a friend over lunch, clearly it is not the situation causing the rage—it’s something much deeper.
Still, it happens everywhere and every day. Insignificant events such as these trigger rage in lots of people, many of whom are usually peaceful.
To explore why my friend might have snapped and why all of us are prone to occasional outbursts, I called Daily Health News regular contributor Lauren Zander, a life coach with a keen insight into what makes people tick.
WHERE DOES RAGE COME FROM?
Rage is nearly always a sign of unacknowledged feelings, said Zander.
It’s one step past the deep feelings of sadness, disappointment and hurt. “When you don’t get what you want or what you expected from someone or some experience, you feel let down and unhappy,” said Zander.
“But if you don’t acknowledge those feelings and if you don’t try to change your situation to make those feelings go away, then those feelings can snowball into rage.”
For instance, my luncheon friend told me that after her odd display of fury over the economies in Greece and Spain, she was so concerned about her behavior that she consciously set out to take a closer look at her life.
And that’s when she realized how deeply upset she had been about the man she had so hoped would be “the one.”
In spite of her efforts, their relationship was headed directly for the rocks, and this had been too painful for her to admit even to herself.
But that disappointment and frustration had to come out somewhere—and out it came, over lunch!
SOLVING THE DEEPER PROBLEM
Of course, venting rage isn’t going to solve whatever problem is causing the rage.
So to get to the root of your rage, you must figure out what’s making you feel disappointed or frustrated—and then take action so you no longer feel disappointed or frustrated.
Sometimes the cause of the rage is so obvious that it’s easy to spot.
For example, if you’re venting about how you’re having trouble selling your house—that may, in fact, be what’s making you unhappy.
But in my friend’s case, her rage came from a hidden place—what she was venting about had nothing to do with what was bothering her.
She finally realized that her relationship truly wasn’t working, so she ended it. From that point on, it was no longer a source of stress for her. Ever since then, she has seemed much calmer.
Your hidden problem might not have to do with love. Perhaps your self-made business isn’t making as much money as it used to, but you’ve been in denial about it.
Maybe it’s time to accept the fact that you can’t rely on your business alone and recognize that it’s time to find a new part-time job working for someone else to get rid of that financial burden.
Or perhaps your friends have promised to come to your house for poker night every Thursday, but many of them have been no-shows lately, and it’s hurting your feelings.
Maybe you should quit inviting them over and let them plan the next get-together so you don’t keep setting yourself up for disappointment.
There are a million things that can cause you frustration and disappointment and eventually spew out of you as rage. Only you can tell what they are.
But remember, whatever your problem is, there’s always a way to solve it instead of letting it fester. So if you find yourself flying off the handle one day…or many days…the key is to look past whatever issue is bothering you on the surface and dig deeper.
And if that doesn’t help you find the reason, by all means speak with a therapist, clergyman or other counselor. Rage is not good for those around you, and it’s not good for you!
Source: Lauren Zander, cofounder and chairman, The Handel Group, New York City. http://www.HandelGroup.com
May 31st, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Zen Lill, as the person who was talking to you is a lady I will hesitate from calling her a LSOS. I will simply say she is just ignorant of the history of Spain as it relates to history and slavery.
Spain was one of the chief importers of slaves all over the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Spanish_New_World_colonies
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Spain was one of the most brutal countries in the history of the world when it comes to black slavery and genocide of entire islands to enable them to import blacks to those islands to replace the indigents that refused to be slaves. Spain exterminated hundreds of millions of people.
Catholicism which was and still is the chief religion of Spanish speaking peoples was installed via genocide and brutal subversion by priests and their crusading armies for the Pope.
IT was Spain that taught the other white nations how to control and mine the resources of an island. The europeans employed exactly that philosophy when they exterminated most the American Indian tribes and imported blacks to replace them as slaves. Of course americans took it to the next level and murder women and children as well as the men.
Spain’s policy was if they could not enslave the indigents on the island whose natural resources they coveted, then they murdered all the males and imported black slaves from Africa to populate the island.
Puerto Rico where I am from is a prime example. There are no indigents from Puerto Rico, we are the product of black men brought there to mate with the women and work as slaves.
Go down the islands that speak spanish and you will see in every instance blacks where brought there to replace the indigents(one will never know what they looked like because Spain killed off all the males).
Don’t take my word for it “Bartolomé de las Casas (1484–1566) recorded the effects of slavery on the Native populations. Following what many of his contemporaries were suggesting, he acquiesced to the Crown’s decision to replace Natives with imported African slaves. Its counselors insisted on a source of labor to develop Caribbean plantations.”
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Spain murdered all the males in the Caribbean and replaced them with black slaves.
They knew a person brought to an unknown place with no possibility of ever escaping to return home would be psychologically better able to control than a person who could just run away and hide in jungles he was very familiar with.
The Spanish could murder without conscious because the Catholic church told them they were murdering for God. Yes, the first Jihadists were catholics.
So if you are confronted in the future by ignorant or lying sanctimonious whites from Spain tell them to google -History of Spain and black slavery – before they make a fool of themselves with there “our country is so much better with our blacks that you white americans.”
I’m catholic and I know from experience, if the priest is catholic he is either pedophiliac inclined or likely to say anything in the name of the Lord.
Jose
May 31st, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Wow, thank you, Jose…although the information is alarming, it is better to have knowledge than to speak ignorantly, as apparently this woman did. Now I know, and it makes sense of Spanish-speaking islanders and skin color including Puerto Rico, thanks again. – ZL
June 1st, 2012 at 1:20 am
My problem is that major suspicions of election theft by Republican controlled voting machines has been out there for at least 10 years with NO action by either party in Washington.
One can understand the Republicans–they are the ones who have apparently benefited. But where in hell are the Democrats?
They appear to have had the 2000 and 2004 PRESIDENTIAL elections stolen. They sat by and allowed the republicans to steal the House and almost the Senate and just about every governor election they entered.
One would think that now they are in charge there would be a massive investigation into the integrity of our elections system, yet their silence is deafening. What is going on?
June 1st, 2012 at 1:33 am
Rachael Maddow has been telling us loud and clear that Politico is a biased right wing propaganda machine set up by the right to make people believe it is as unbiased as Fox news because it claims “the spin stops here.”
So now Politico makes the claim that The New York Times and Washington Post are biased in favor of President Barack Obama and quick to promote potentially negative stories about presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney.
My reply is two fold; 1. Where’s your proof? Just because you claim to be checking the facts doesn’t mean you don’t have to back up your accusations with facts.
and
2. Politico Newsflash: While the cool kid-in-chief was smoking blunts in high school our candidate was holding down gay kids and shaving their heads.
June 1st, 2012 at 1:35 am
I pray Obama is elected again. I am a 70 year old Caucasian lady from NC. The day Obama was elected I could not stop crying from pride for my country.
That the rest of the world saw us do what we said we believed in and asked them to do made me so proud.
Obama is smart, dedicated to our country and unafraid of the terriorists who threaten us. God watch over America and hope Romney goes home.
I do not mean this in a bad way,but, I went to the Mormon Church for my teen years. I will respond more if asked
June 1st, 2012 at 1:37 am
My question to Politico is how are you supposed to NOT report negative stories about Mitt Romney? There are so many.
June 1st, 2012 at 1:37 am
Big surprise, not! Remember the days when news was reported and not selective nor biased. God bless the good old days!
June 1st, 2012 at 1:38 am
Interesting that conservatives refuse to acknowledge that the Bush presidency occurred, but are all gung ho to find out what Obama was up to when he as 19.
June 1st, 2012 at 1:41 am
Just today, Romney gave a speech in front of Solyndra and claimed that a judicial investigation had found that Obama was found guilty of giving money for development to donors to his campaign.
This outright LIE was only covered by TIME reporting today. The white media never calls the LSOS a lie. They allow Romney to make obvious false claims without even a nod to the public they know it is false.
A few other news organizations did cover the fact that as Mass. Governor, Mittens himself had two solar agencies that he gave government monies to who had contributed to his campaign AND they had failed as well.
June 1st, 2012 at 1:43 am
UUUURRRRRRRAAAAAHHHHHHHHH…WHEWWW….HAD TO TAKE OBAMAH KIDS FOR A SWIM
June 1st, 2012 at 1:44 am
Conservatives are more interested in “fairness” than in accuracy. The real problem they have isn’t with this imaginary liberal bias, it’s the lack of conservative bias.
June 1st, 2012 at 1:47 am
Hank, I am sick and tired of you racist white boys wishing for a return to the “good old days.”
There were no “good old days” for white women and OTWs. Only days when your white bastards had total control over our parents lives.
Fuck off you piece of shit.
Dwight
June 1st, 2012 at 1:48 am
Jeff Zeleney of the New York Times asked Obama in 2008 what enchanted him as president during his first 100 days as president. He should have been asked Obama: What enchanted you most about smoking pot in your youth, sniffing cocaine, and boozing it up? Which one did you like doing best? How long did you do each one of them?
How did it affect you grades in school and when are you going to release your Harvard grades to the public? This self-avowed former dope freak has been cuddled and protected by the liberal media for 3 1/2 years. This is the kind of person Louis Farrakhan declared as the messiah in 2008 before the Nation of Islam.
June 1st, 2012 at 1:53 am
Please, please, Prince Alwaleed bin Talal get rid of your stock shares of Fox News, it has become known all over the USA and foreign countries as biggest pushers of lies and hatred, and especially the people of your religion.
They are now a campaign politilcal source for neo-nazi “republican” government officials. They want the “republican” running for our presidency to invade all moslim countries and want murder your people .
You are worldly known as a decent businessman, please save your reputation by getting rid of your stock shares..
June 1st, 2012 at 1:54 am
Canada will not allow Fox ‘news’ to be shown, because they demand the news be factual and true.Too bad the usa didn’t require that also.
June 1st, 2012 at 1:56 am
We knew 10 years ago that FOX Noise was a propaganda arm of the Republican party. FOX Noise spent 8 years cheeleading Bush’s every misstep as he managed to destroy this country. Bush could have shot up the White House and I doubt FOX Noise would have had an issue with that.
June 1st, 2012 at 1:57 am
Apparently, the US is the world’s voter fraud king, not the various “banana republic regimes’ like Afghanistan or Honduras supported by the US, and unlike the various democratic countries like Venezuela targeted by the US right.
June 1st, 2012 at 2:00 am
I’ve been a software developer for almost 30 years. Counting votes (choose one then add it) has got to be the simplest piece of software being coded in the world today.
There’s absolutely no justification for having proprietary software for counting votes because there can’t possibly be any real intellectual property involved here. Who could possibly patent simple arithmetic?!
If there’s something proprietary here, then what further proof do we need that complex vote-stealing is being coded and protected here?!
I’d like to see the progressive technologist community start pushing for a bill that requires that all vote counting software has to be open source, with all source code free and available to the public.
This is done everywhere now. We rarely have to pay for great software anymore. We just downloaded, extend it, test it and it just works.. free for all to see. Better than that.. paper only ballots. I
f we can pay billions of dollars to process all these ridiculously complicated tax forms every year, surely we can pay people to perform simple addition without the need for any software or computers at all!!
This is the ultimate scam on the public!
June 1st, 2012 at 2:01 am
If you live in a State which does not have a a system for a paper trail of your vote, then I suggest you register with your elections officer to receive a mail-in ballot.
Trust is NOT the name of the game when you are dealing with corporate entities, so make sure your vote is counted correctly and that you have proof of how you voted.
June 1st, 2012 at 2:18 am
Anono Miss, if the US allows the terrorists to get their hands on any of those weapons that Anonz mentioned and they are set off in a city where you live. You will be the first crying for revenge.
Just because one crooked american president faked WMD so he and his cronies could make billions off waging a war doesn’t mean that the next president can’t be trusted to wage a necessary war.
Obama hasn’t once showed any interest in anything but getting the US out of Iraq where bush put it; and doing something logical in Afghanistan to prevent the terrorist from having a country they can operate from with impunity.
Get a clue before you go wagging a stupid broad accusation around. What could Obama possibly want with a country like Syria?
You wave around “overthrow” accusations about the government of Syria as if you are new to this blog. If you are, then read yesterday where women from there are begging Michelle for help.
Will she be guilty of overthrowing the Syria regime that is murdering women and children with their hands tied behind their back, if she helps us?
How easy it is to pontificate about the rights and wrongs when your life is not being threatened by some insane dictator.
Obviously you know nothing about the government of Syria or you would know that it is one of the most austere dictatorships in the Middle East.
Bring your ass over here and help us if you don’t want Obama or the UN to interfere. If you are too gutless to carry a gun, then you can help us drag the bodies out to the street to prevent disease from rotting corpses from killing the living.
Qalat
June 1st, 2012 at 2:26 am
Hafa adai Zen lill.
I can vouch for the truth in Jose’s words. The history of Guam is full of the abuses of priest sent here by the catholic church. From the beginning of the ones from Spain that murdered Chamorros at will in the name of God to the pedophiles that have prayed upon the children of Guam today.
I can also tell you that that Spain murdered every male Chamorro and bought in peoples from other islands to rape our women and repopulate the island.
The catholic church comes off so good because they use fear to force people they have converted to Catholicism to believe that they can only get to heaven through their priests.
The reason most do not know about the pure evil that emanates from that cult is they control history, what we know as catholics about the churches political affiliations in world conquest by the white man.
Peter
June 1st, 2012 at 2:33 am
Even if you assume that all of the private companies involved in electronic voting are entirely ethical and professional (always an iffy assumption in the business world), what category of “secure” electronic data has not been recently hacked or stolen?
Credit card records? Passport ID chips? Sensitive government records? Major breaches of electronic security are not all that uncommon, even with elaborate and sophisticated defenses in place.
If you want to use touchscreens to aid voters, use them to print filled-out paper ballots (not just dubious receipts) and count those.
Users can see for themselves if the actual, traceable ballot they submit reflects their choices. Probably existing electronic voting machines can be lobotomized to do this job.
June 1st, 2012 at 2:36 am
Anono Miss you must be new to this blog or you would know that what Anonz predict invariably comes true.
Like Howie he knows from what he speaks. You may not agree with his stance or opinions but his facts are facts.
Donald
June 1st, 2012 at 2:38 am
My problem is it is now 2012. Concerned citizens have been yelling about this for AT LEAST ten years ( when electronic voting machines were plunked into a half dozen swing states with Senate races too close to call and ALL went to the Republicans by margins too large to trigger a recount.
And George Bush with a rubber stamp Senate trashed our country for the next 6 years.) I can understand the Republicans making no effort to clean up elections, to all appearances they are the ones benefiting.
But what are we to think about the Democrats? One would think they would be making an effort to prevent Republican election theft.
Nothing but silence. If not for Ed Schultz and the rest of MSNBC who would know?
It is not enough for both parties to act as if there is nothing wrong. Our elections must be VERIFIABLE as honest!
June 1st, 2012 at 8:49 am
I read this on HP. I think it explains that the STARK members of SCOTUS are BAPF.
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Justice John Paul Stevens is right. The Citizen’s united case was a travesty made for political reasons to give Republicans the upper hand in fund raising.
It was not much different than Bush v. Gore in its stiltedness and abject bias.
The conservatives on the court are making a mockery of judicial restraint amd precedent. They use narrow issues to overturn entire swarths of law, conveniently ignoring established precedent.
People are holding the court in less and less esteem and the political opinions it renders, solely rendered on ideological grounds. is making the court a mockery of what it once stood for.
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STARK are shameless as the obey their owners without regard to others seeing what their decisions are.
Irene
April 9th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
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