Parental Rights For Rapists?
Posted by Michelle Moquin on August 23rd, 2012
Good morning!
Michelle: It seems girls with similar names think alike. :)
I was going to post a write that talks about exactly what you mentioned – the number of women who become pregnant each year from being raped. I had no idea of the number but it is astonishing to know that out of almost 200,000 women who get raped each year in America, 32,000 women get pregnant each year.
Rape-related pregnancy occurs with significant frequency. It is a cause of many unwanted pregnancies and is closely linked with family and domestic violence. As we address the epidemic of unintended pregnancies in the United States, greater attention and effort should be aimed at preventing and identifying unwanted pregnancies that result from sexual victimization.
If you’re looking for hard numbers, the study concludes that the national rape-related pregnancy rate is 5.0% per rape among victims of reproductive age (12—45), and that an estimated 32,101 pregnancies result from rape each year. Does 32,000 pregnancies per annum sound “rare” to you? It’s not.
Parental Rights for Rapists?
Women’s rights advocates have paid little attention to what happens to women who bear children as a result of rape, and whether they are able to raise those children without threat from the men who raped them. But for the thousands of women in the United States who become pregnant and bear children as a result of rape each year, the need to ensure that they can raise their children without further threat from the rapist is a critical – and largely unacknowledged – concern.
Why the Inattention?
There may be several reasons for this inattention. Some may assume that this is a rare event, or be unaware that rapists may have parental rights. Some women raising children born of rape may want to keep their children’s provenance a secret. Regardless, the result has been that women in this situation typically suffer in isolation, with little coordinated women’s rights advocacy to champion their cause.
Unfortunately, this has resulted in the passage of paternity laws in every state that rarely address the concerns of mothers who wish to raise their children born of rape. The ultimate effect of these family laws is to ensure, in most situations, that a rapist has parental rights, thereby diminishing the significance of rape and ignoring the threat the rapist poses to the mother and the child.
When Rape Survivors Decide to Parent
To illustrate the problem, imagine Maria, a young adult woman who becomes pregnant as a result of a rape – one of approximately 32,000 women who become pregnant in the United States as a result of rape each year. Of those women, about half decide to terminate their pregnancies, rather than cope with the psychological torment of going through the pregnancy. Many others, for just as legitimate reasons, decide to carry the pregnancies to term and have babies. Maria decides not to terminate the pregnancy. And, like the vast majority of women who make this decision, Maria keeps her baby rather than give the child up for adoption.
Once Maria has the child, the rapist may gain parental rights depending on his relation to Maria. If the rapist is a stranger to Maria and risks implicating himself criminally, he is probably unlikely to pursue parental rights in the child. But most rapes are perpetrated by someone the victim knows.
If the rapist is Maria’s abusive husband, his parental rights are presumed upon the birth of the child. If he is an acquaintance or a former boyfriend, he may learn of the child and file a paternity action to establish his legal parenthood. Or, if Maria receives public assistance benefits, the state will pursue his paternity, unless she is lucky enough both to live in a state that exempts victims of violence from participating in such paternity cases, and she is actually informed of her right to exercise that option.
Under most state’s laws, the rapist’s biological connection to the child, regardless of its provenance – even, in many states, in the case of incest – is sufficient to gain parental rights.
At the very least, the attempt to gain legal recognition of parental rights enables the rapist to bring Maria in to court, in which she will be forced either to relive the rape in her efforts to seek justice, or to pretend it didn’t happen rather than risk a judicial violation of her privacy. And if a rapist secures parental rights, generally, parental rights guarantee a lifetime of ongoing contact between the mother and the rapist – including visitation rights, child support, and even ongoing legal disputes over custody.
And what if Maria proves to a court’s satisfaction that the child was a result of a rape? Many state laws make no provision for such a situation and thus the court may be obligated to legally recognize the rapist’s paternity.
How Should Advocates for Women’s Reproductive Freedom Respond?
I do not call for a simple legal solution, but exhort our community to recognize the problem and began working towards a comprehensive approach.
We must recognize that this is a complex issue: women raising children born of rape are not identical, and neither are their concerns. One woman – raped by an acquaintance she barely knew – raised her child to adulthood without interference, and decided when her son was grown to tell him the story of his father, a secret she had kept his entire life. Another survivor, a 14-year-old girl, decided to give up her baby for adoption. She was required by law to give notice of the adoption to the rapist, an adult man. While she was permitted by a court to give up her rights to the child, the rapist retained his and then sought child support payments from her.
Women raped by abusive husbands have children whose legal relationship to their biological fathers is presumed by law and can only be challenged by affirmative legal action on the part of the mother. Another survivor, who gave birth to twins after a date rape, raised them peacefully with her intimate partner until they were five years old, at which time the rapist learned of their existence and filed a lawsuit to establish his paternity and gain visitation rights, and attempted to use the mother’s sexual orientation against her in the legal proceedings. Women who are trafficked, whether for labor, sex work, or for marriage, who have children resulting from their sexual exploitation may face immigration obstacles that force them to remain in dangerous situations or risk losing their children.
Another complication is the well-known judicial bias against rape victims and the difficulty of “proving” a rape charge in the context of either the civil or criminal justice systems. Nationally, less than 20 percent of rape survivors report the assaults to law enforcement, but those few states that do permit courts to deny parental rights to a rapist tend to grant this exception only for cases in which the putative father is convicted of rape, and make no provision for addressing the vast majority of rapes that are not reported or prosecuted.
Interacting Rights
But the rape survivor’s perspective should not be our only consideration. Inherent in this discussion is the constitutional nature of parental rights, and whether and how those rights interact for both the mother who has been raped and the rapist who is the progenitor of the child. It is especially important to recognize the demonstrated tendency of the legal system to hold the parental rights of men of color and poor men in lesser esteem – and, for that matter, its greater willingness to view men of color as rapists and women of color as unlikely victims.
A case like Pena v. Mattox, in which a Hispanic 19-year-old man lost the right even to notice of his offspring’s adoption when convicted of statutory rape of his 15-year-old girlfriend, is alarming not only because of the obvious injustice in the situation but for the way the decision ignores the racist undertones of the actions taken against the father and how it renders the mother entirely faceless and voiceless. In the wake of that decision, commentators gave little or no attention to the situation of a mother raising a child born of rape. It is critical for us to consider a legal framework that grants justice for the mother but does not result in the perpetuation of other injustices.
For this very reason, the child’s interests must also be considered. A child’s human right to a life free of violence is of paramount concern. But denying parentage to a biological father eliminates the child’s right to financial support from that parent, ensures that the child is not recognized for inheritance purposes, and may deny that child knowledge of his or her genetic history. Advocates for women’s rights should consider and address the child’s concerns while developing a response that ensures the humanity and safety of the mother.
An Unlikely Alliance?
Finally, advocates for reproductive freedom may struggle – or see an opportunity – with the realization that on this issue, we may find allies in the fervently anti-choice. The Maryland State Legislature is considering a bill sponsored by pro-choice Democrats that would permit a court to refuse to recognize a biological father’s parental rights if the mother shows by clear and convincing evidence that the child was born of rape.
This bill is supported by the anti-choice Maryland Right to Life. As that organization proclaims on its website: “[w]omen who choose childbirth when rape results in a pregnancy should be able to do so without fearing the rapist’s involvement in decisions regarding the child’s welfare. These women need care and support, not the additional stress and burden of a rapist’s paternity rights.”
While I predict that we will come to radically different conclusions about how to approach this problem, on this, for once, we agree.
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Allison: My comment to Talibah should’ve been addressed to you as well, as you are correct in your statement too. I am sorry what happened to you, and saddened that your mother was not a support for you. I HOPE that you are doing well.
HH: Thanks for the kudos but just in case you haven’t noticed, this is a women’s blog. I expose the plight of women, and I tout and illuminate their successes. Men, in my opinion get enough airplay in the media. That is not to say that I don’t honor great men every now and then.
With respect to men getting raped, I am not clear if you are speaking of men getting raped by other men, or women. I am well aware that men get raped by other men. But that is the point isn’t it? The heinous act is done by other men. In my opinion, women cannot rape men. You need a hard dick and if the dick is hard, he wants it from her. Hence it is not rape. I know that some disagree with me on this, but that is my stance.
Perhaps when men stop raping women, (Did you read the above stats?) and protect and stand up for women more, I might be more concerned about men getting raped by men. But when there is so much violence toward women in this world from men, I can’t say that I am having sleepless nights worrying about men getting raped.
David: I like what you said. And there are always concerns such as what Helen Pointed out.
Social Butterfly: Too cute. I got the visual – It seems you do too. :)
Zen Lill: I got your message. How about I try you tonight?
Fred: Yes, He did and His first model of a human was not quite right – Hence, He improved the model human vastly and created woman.
Donna: I cannot tell you how many times that thought has crossed my mind, but I am HOPEing and counting on there being another solution. The ball is in the women’s court. I just wish we would support each other more, take this ball, and run with it.
Marisol: No need to ask for forgiveness; I did not take your comment personally. There are many good women, white and OTW, who are in support of each other. However, you did make some very valid points and I hear and feel your frustrations as well.
Ruth: This is true, and yes all but the 1% we will most likely be screwed. And I am not even sure the 1% will survive what atrocities would occur in America and the world should Romney win. I don’t think they are aware how devastating their choices could be.
With respect to skin color, it is a factor when it comes to whites. You don’t see OTW’s saying they are better because of their skin color. It isn’t the OTW’s that are racist.
What’s been pointed out here many times is that racism and greed are what rules. When racism is that strong whites don’t think that they will be the ones affected – they just want a white man at the helm. Yes Bush got us in to this mess but did people learn or do they care? Obviously not because they want round three. Their little dicks and the other head cannot bear having a black man be the most successful president, even at the detriment of their own country.
And greed…well many in the 99% think they are going to make it into the 1% club, so they follow lock step whatever the 1% ask them to do, HOPEing and planning to join them. It will never happen but they follow anyway, blindly in my opinion, with false HOPE.
Even some OTW’s join them thinking they will be an exception – they will be the ones saved from the gas tanks, but they won’t. It will never happen but they follow anyway, blindly in my opinion, with false HOPE. (Yes, the repeat was intentional)
The 1% know this so they lie and make promises to anyone they need to; promises that they never intend to keep.
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August 23rd, 2012 at 9:50 am
Sure a woman can rape a man. If a man is incapacitated in some way like restrained, tied-up, passed out, drugged, etc., he can be raped by a woman and there would be very little he could do about it.
August 23rd, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Domina, what you have spoken is a lie about the ability of the human body akin to the lie that said if a woman is raped she can just shut that thing down. A human biology lesson would answer that for you.
But if you can’t find a book, then know this; blood engorges a man’s dick to get it hard. Desire from the mind of a man starts that process. That’s one of the reasons they give men images of women when they are acting as sperm donors to get the stuff flowing.
Now the only questions that remain are: 1. are you really a woman who is just biologically challenged?
2. Are you a man who is just living out the dream of a lot of young boys of being taken by a powerful woman. I say “young boys” because as a male matures he learns that if he is not interested, it isn’t happening. Age also teaches a man that even if he is interested that blood gorging thing may not work because it is broken for one reason or another.
3. He is one of those republican men who believes that it is not his lust that makes him desire his daughters, it is her demonic behavior, hence a woman can force him against his “high moral standards” either with drugs or mental enticement to have sex with him.
4. Someone having fun at the expense of ignorant fools.
Finally honey, if you are a man and you look like my desire, you can tie me up and “rape” me. But if you don’t look like something I would want on the head of my dick, unless I am having a wet dream that makes me think you are that woman, this dick is not getting hard.
No hard dick, then it ain’t penetrating those tight lips of yours. If you try to hump a limp dick you would do better with a counter sausage.
Dwight
August 23rd, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Dwight – you have a serious lack of imagination. Bend over and I’ll show you how it’s done.
August 23rd, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Michelle, you are just pointing out another instance where the man is only interested in what benefits him.
Why do women support men who write laws like this?
August 23rd, 2012 at 1:48 pm
These men should be ashamed of themselves
The GOP agenda for women isn’t just wrong. It’s dangerous.
Donate $5 right now so we can vote out Aiken and King and elect bold, progressive women instead.
Over the weekend, Republican Congressman and Missouri Senate Candidate Todd Akin told a local television station that victims of “legitimate rape” don’t get pregnant.1
But wait, there’s more. Today, Rep. Steve King told an Iowa reporter that he’s never even heard of a child getting pregnant from rape or incest.2
Can you believe it? Akin and King’s comments aren’t just disgusting and beyond the pale, they are completely and unequivocally false. These men should be ashamed of themselves.
As it stands now, Todd Aiken is in a tight race against Claire McCaskill for Missouri’s Senate seat and Rep. King is being challenged by Christie Vilsack for Iowa’s 4th congressional district — two strong and independent candidates who understand that a woman’s most intimate and personal healthcare decisions should be made by one and only one person — herself.
Don’t be fooled into thinking Akin’s comments were just a slip of the tongue. Last year, Akin and King, along with VP pick Paul Ryan, co-sponsored a bill that would have redefined rape as “forcible” rape, for the sole purpose of making it more difficult for rape victims to obtain an abortion.3 As if to say that not all rape is “forced” against a woman’s will.
This isn’t just a fringe position for Republicans in Congress. This week, the Republican Party announced their party platform which included, among other things, a call for a constitutional amendment to ban all forms of abortion, including in the instances of rape and incest.4 Donate $5 now to vote them out.
Yesterday, President Obama said it best:
“What I think these comments do underscore is why we shouldn’t have a bunch of politicians, a majority of whom are men, making healthcare decisions on behalf of women.”5
We couldn’t agree more. Because despite the Republican party’s inability to understand basic concepts of female biology, and their willful ignorance when presented with facts to the contrary — it’s business as usual for the Grand Old Party and their continuing war on women.
Just this past year, we’ve seen Republicans try to eliminate insurance coverage of contraceptive care and in some cases, try to ban emergency contraception and common forms of birth control altogether. We’ve seen them try to roll back domestic violence provisions for women, just because they aren’t the right “type” of victim. We’ve seen them try to force medically unnecessary vaginal probes and ultrasounds on women who wish to have an abortion, and now — they are trying to redefine rape. Enough is enough!
The GOP agenda for women isn’t just wrong. It’s dangerous. So let’s vote them out and replace them with bold, progressive women instead.
Sincerely,
Brittany Larson
USAction / TrueMajority
August 23rd, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Domina:
You have a serious mental problem. Raping a person with a foreign object was not the point you were originally making. No one would doubt that anyone or any living entity could be raped by having a foreign object forced into that person or entity.
We were discussing the difference of a man raping a woman versus a woman raping a man by forcing their sexual organ upon the other. No woman can use her sexual organ to rape a man because his sexual organ won’t function if he is not interested in having sexual intercourse with that female.
Now if by law the male child is deemed legally incapable of consenting then, that would constitute statutory rape. Any other means that crop up in your obviously imaginative mind could be rape, if they involved something other than -to be frank- Dick into the “rapist’s” pussy.
As for me “bending over,” you have, again, been using that imagination overtime. I would not mind meeting a person with your obvious open mind concerning sex, but I prefer to be the one shoving(that doesn’t mean it would be without tender concern for the sensitive tissues in your tight warm other cave of pleasure)my dick into tight ass.
I am not interested in having mine penetrated by anything at all. If that is how you get your sexual satisfaction, I wish you success with those that share your view of sexual pleasure.
Dwight
August 23rd, 2012 at 3:48 pm
White male don’t want to acknowledge that the colleges, private and public were funded by or assisted by government money. That includes the GI bill and other government aids like vaccinations, public schools, hospitals, welfare, police services, roads, bridges, street lights railroads, business grants and tax breaks, etc,.
The reason is because white people benefited more than anyone else by being America’s Affirmative Action Privileged. White men got all this Special treatment from the taxes on white women and OTWs.
So now they want to pretend they don’t know this so they don’t have to acknowledge that they didn’t build this country by themselves. They did it on the backs of all the rest of Americans whose work and public taxes built the frame work these hypocritical ungrateful LSOS pretend not to be aware of.
Paul
August 23rd, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Dwight you stupid shit, the point is that it is sex without those that share your view of sexual pleasure…period. It matters not whether it be their sexual organs or not. Fuck, I hate stupid people…you are your ilk give humans a bad wrap and subsequently we, as a specie, are food for so many aliens due to the exemplary case of our specie’s place on the evolutionary ladder. FUCK you stupid fuck!
August 23rd, 2012 at 4:05 pm
6. Dwight:
Don’t tell me what point I was trying to make. How would you know?
Rape is unwanted penetration, period. It does not matter who does who or how they do it. It’s not an act reserved for limp dicks like you. That was my point. Women rape women too.
Your garbage is more of the same old crap I’ve come to expect from men. You only think from your own POV and can’t handle a woman with one of her own.
You have the mental problem. I don’t have to stick to your script.
August 23rd, 2012 at 5:14 pm
I received this link http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/steve-king-statutory-rape.php?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
It is about Rep. Steve King who professes that “I’ve Never Heard Of A Girl Getting Pregnant From Statutory Rape Or Incest.”
Who are the white women putting these neanderthals into positions of power that enable them to fuck up the lives of the rest of us?
I am seriously considering whether we should have voting criteria to determine if the average white woman has the brains to cast an intelligent ballot.
I have been a legal American for only 2 years so I couldn’t vote in the 2008 or the 2010 elections, but even then I knew that the republicans were appealing to my white skin rather than my logic for my vote.
When they aren’t playing the race card, they are playing the god card. Why anyone believes those guys are more moral or even more heterosexual than any other party is ridiculous.
As a matter of fact, from the little information, we have received from the news media, we know that members of the republican party have been caught doing anything but what they preach morally more than any other party.
I know I am not a member of that group often referred on this blog as “dumb as a box of rocks.” I feel the sting that an opinion like that confers, but I intend to use it to motivate me to be more responsible with my vote.
This former Irish now American voting woman will not be conned by politicians who treat women as if we are not capable of deciding what medicines or medical treatments they need for themselves.
Sibohan
August 23rd, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Domina, I am not as concerned about a man getting raped as you seem to be. My concern is the platform you keep switching to suit the latest point you are trying to make.
Forget about men. Let men fend for themselves. Get over trying to prove that a woman can rape a man. If it is a man raping a man that is just men and our violence we can handle it. We don’t need new laws to protect us. We can’t get pregnant and no government law will force a man to do anything involving his sexual organs.
That is the point lady! Government requires nothing of men. Your preoccupation with the suffering of men is misplaced. You undoubtedly are a white woman or a white boy pretending to be a white woman.
The condition of my penis is unimportant since I have no intention of raping a woman. If I intend to rape a man, that should be of no concern to you. Males are the ones making life difficult for women if they are raped. No one is making if difficult for men if they are raped. If there is a law doing that, leave it to us men to handle it.
If you are really a woman, you have your hands full dealing with the draconian laws passed by men forcing women to have foreign objects rammed into their vaginas.
Lady you are not playing with a full deck if you think men would stand by and allow a politician to make rape of a man difficult. One more time, white woman, males need NO help from government when it comes to the consequences of a male being raped.
We do not get pregnant. We are not forced to undergo intrusive physical exams if we want an abortion because of a rape. We will not be forced to allow a rapist to have visitation rights to the child we were forced to have because men passed legislation to prevent us from getting that abortion.
Males aren’t having rape being defined to lessen the offense so they can deny males access to abortion, etc, etc, etc.
Get a clue(Are you blond too?) white woman, this is about the suffering, indignations, cruelties and utter disrespect for the trials and tribulations that FEMALES have to endure at the hands of male legislators attempting to deny them access to abortion rights and medical attention of their choice.
It is NOT about the “equal” suffering of men. This smacks of the ridiculous “reverse racism” accusations white boys raise to defuse accusations of racism practiced by their kind for centuries with impunity.
Finally, if we are talking about crap from men, how about the crap you are tossing out? You started out inferring that a man could be raped by a woman, “Sure a woman can rape a man. If a man is incapacitated in some way like restrained, tied-up, passed out, drugged, etc., he can be raped by a woman and there would be very little he could do about it.”
My point is who gives a fuck if a woman can rape a man? Men aren’t being oppressed by laws written by women to prevent men from having access to abortion. And you accuse me of “the same old crap I’ve come to expect from men.”
You are either a republican white woman or, as I suspect, a white boy trying to imply that men suffer as much as women. Get a pair buddy. At least Own up to your gender. I really can’t believe even a dumb as a box of rocks white woman could fuck up an argument as bad as you just did.
LOL
Dwight
August 23rd, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Anon#8, don’t flatter yourself. Your dumb ass wouldn’t make a good meal even for the most non discerning alien.
I doubt if you know what the fuck you are talking about. If as I suspect you are attempting to bring the suffering of males into a discussion about the incredible degradations men legislators are forcing women to endure after being raped, then who gives a shit about what you have to say.
Men make the laws. Men can answer for the laws they make that affect men. When have women had the ability to make a law that negatively impacted men?
Get the fuck out of this conversation and take your ass to one of those blogs that lament the plight of men who believe that they live in a country ruled by women. By the way, those are the same white boys that believe they live in a country that is controlled by jews and OTWs. In other words, IDIOTS!
Idiot, find that blog. Oh and if you must use anonymous do so with an alias or initials. I know that wouldn’t occur to an inbred, dumber than a box of rocks, white boy like you but, hey a hint is a hint. Hint, hint.
Dwight
August 23rd, 2012 at 6:41 pm
What say ye now? Domino were you busted?
August 23rd, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Domina, you’re busted and Dwight I was wichoo until you asked if she was blond (just kidding, not sensitive about what my hair color sometimes implies : ) Seriously, we are thinking about man rape, um, wwhhhhyyyy?
As he stated, men don’t get pregnant and men don’t have legislators up their asses making laws that are just plain absurd not to mention: VERY controlling.
- ZL
August 23rd, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Zen Lill, I am not above apologizing when called out. I am sorry for offending you. I know that you are blond and I will admit that your are very much more often than not spot on concerning issues presented on this blog.
Before I get any more, may I also add to Social Butterfly I don’t know what color you hair is but regardless, please accept my apology if you feel that I stepped over the line.
I truly respect all you women do to contribute to common sense on the important issues that confront all of us.
Dwight
August 23rd, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Why should women be able to decide what medicines or health care a woman should choose for themselves?
I wanted to reply, but I confess I waited because I feared the backlash from the fierce women on this blog. But Count-On-Her Zen Lill came through so I am making my position known.
Dwight, you were addressing the issue Michelle was presenting. I have no idea what Domina was attempting to point out. I do feel you were a little too harsh. Maybe she was not aware that her point was not relevant to the issue of whether legitimate should be applied to rape and whether legislators should be deciding if women should under go a sonar gram before getting an abortion.
I agree with Zen Lill, you have been busted Domina.
Carol
August 23rd, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Dwight
Why are you bringing my name up?
/SB
August 23rd, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Michelle, I am new here. Are the boys always so naughty?
August 23rd, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Dwight, I like your tone. But are you really that dialed into the women issues are you just trying to get laid?
August 23rd, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Dwight, it’s cool, we’re tight ; )
Oh and I almost forgot, when I saw the title of this post I wanted to just write my answer to ‘rapists’ and judges anywhere who would grant that ‘right and privilege’: You have the ‘right’ to go to jail and be ass f**ked till you scream rape and no one hears you or comes to your assistance, and stop throwing the word ‘parental’ around like that, you -rapist- were merely a sperm secretor.
- ZL
August 23rd, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Okay. I have to admit I had to go back and re-read everything. I have to come clean right now and say I’ve been out tonight and I’ve had two drinks! Woo-hoo!
So let’s try again (please).
Dwight, don’t drag me into this. I don’t understand why you did, what you were trying to say, or how I’m relevant.
I can say who cares what whoever Domina is was talking about? Who cares if it was in response to Michelle’s post or not? Why are you all trying to pigeon hole somebody? That being made a statement and Dwight wanted to make it philosophy. There’s so many different topics that come up every day. Do you hold everyone accountable to Michelle’s daily post? Is this a free blog or not? The projection is out of control! Almost, like there is an agenda here.
I have heard other people say it and I didn’t think so but is there a double standard going on here? Are we just displaying a microcosm of society in how we are interacting with each other here?
I really don’t want to get involved with this. It’s just my two cents. Now I need to make some tea and kiss my cat.
ps for the record my hair is strawberry with blonde streaks.
/SB
August 23rd, 2012 at 9:26 pm
and ZL, you joined right in :(
/SB
August 23rd, 2012 at 9:41 pm
In case you closed minded people don’t know it, underneath the skin, men and women, there’s just an energy. There is no gender. You don’t come back in the same body. Hate one gender today, it could be you tomorrow. Or in your past life, you could have been the asshole man that made the world the way it is today, and you are the woman suffering it now.
People have to come together. Stop dividing. Stop assuming. Stop hating. Start trying to understand. Try to bridge the gap. Share and teach.
dumb fucking humans
Yes C – Fatimah!
August 23rd, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Social Butterfly, I am sorry if you were offended. I was only commenting on Domina bringing up a topic( male rape) that was inappropriate for the serious issue of women being abused.
If you are so disturbed by Domina and my tete a tete, why not leave it to Domina to defend her/hisself. My apology to you was made with the sincere intentions to make amends if I had inadvertently offended you. I was not sure if I had done something that would have offended you.
As for a hidden agenda on this blog, if you find one please educate all of us as I have been a reader for almost 4 years and haven’t found one. I can’t even figure out what the topics are most of the time.
The arguments on this blog are all over the place. You are obviously new or you would know that.
Good luck
Dwight
August 23rd, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Fatimah, that is just the most ridiculous piece of bullshit I have ever heard. Talk about you flower child crap. Who really gives a damn if the man is a reincarnated female? All I can see is that it is man who is fucking over women and that is the point.
If this is too deep for you, read the Dwight post SLOWLY.
Heather
August 23rd, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Aloha, I have been reading this blog for almost 4 years also Dwight. I have never commented. What has brought me out is the present topic, abortion.
Five years ago, I was raped when I was living in Texas. I was denied the morning after pill because some right to life male doctor refused to write me a prescription. The police did not provide a female officer. I had three males standing over my half naked body asking questions and staring into my panty less crouch.
I am a very beautiful woman and I know when a man is interested in my body more than he is in the questions he is asking me. Fuck I had just been raped by a creep who had hit me so hard in the back of my head that they had to cut a quarter of my hair away to treat it. And there I was being ogled by three inept men drooling over my pussy.
The rapist was caught two months later in the home of a female police officer who shot him in the balls and chest. His DNA matched the sperm he left in me. The state he was caught in waited three months to send the DNA to Texas. I could not get an abortion in Texas so I moved to Hawaii.
Fatimah;
Your post was almost as bizarre as that idiot Domina’s was. Why would anyone care if “underneath the skin, men and women, there’s just an energy.”? The point being made on this blog today is that the skins that have men in them are denying women the right to equality and access to their right to self determination about their bodies.
MEN in those fucking skins you are so raptured by are doing that! Is that too difficult for you to understand? MEN are raping and impregnating women. Before you and any other thickheaded pea brain pine in with women can rape women too,
I will grant you that, But shit for brains the topic is about the repercussions of rapes that end in pregnancy and the denial of an abortion option to those women by MEN.
That is what Dwight was commenting on and what concerns me, a woman who was the victim of a “legitimate” rape.
Your asinine hippie bilge is an insult to a serious topic like rape. I have no problem hating the gender that rapes me and then tries to force me to have the baby of that rape.
I hope you find your place in heaven or wherever you “love everybody,” drugged up hippies go. For your information if I came back as a man, I would be a man like Dwight. I would stand up for women’s rights, even if it meant that I had to put absurd dimwits like Domina in her place or indulge too sensitive prima donnas like Social Butterfly.
For heavens sake I don’t know why you jumped on Zen Lill, talk about having an agenda what was yours there?
If anyone needs to take this advice “People have to come together. Stop dividing. Stop assuming. Stop hating. Start trying to understand. Try to bridge the gap. Share and teach,” it’s you.
But there is that saying that you have to know when the conversation will go no where. That’s why there are prisons and guns and other weapons. Some times you just have to take down the asshole.
If I had had access to my gun(they are legal to carry in Texas) I could have ended that asshole rapist’s chance to destroy another woman’s life( he confessed to 4 other rapes between me and the woman who did take him down).
I would have certainly liked to have given that dirtbag the opportunity to reincarnate. That’s all I have to share with you. I hope it teaches you something.
Jennifer
August 23rd, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Zen Lill, we love you because you know how to speak for women who can’t.
August 23rd, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Zen Lill Ditto. You have the ‘right’ to go to jail and be ass f**ked till you scream rape and no one hears you or comes to your assistance.
August 23rd, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Dwight, I am a blond, but I take no offense. I have lived the experience and there are plenty shit for brains women who will always find a way to apologize for the behavior of men.
I have a friend who’s mother’s boyfriend raped her when she was 11. Her mother gave her to my mother because she accused her of enticing her boyfriend into sleeping with her.
Men get away with their behavior because women like that fool Fatimah who thinks she has some higher spiritual connection than the rest of us.
Claudia
August 23rd, 2012 at 11:38 pm
Michelle, your posters can get so intense and so personal. Me and my friends can hardly finish a day’s work without discussing the late night rumblings.
Social Butterfly. I bet that you were a beautiful blond. I could tell by your assertiveness. I bet you are a tall blond professional that takes pleasure in dominating men.
I like that in a woman. You make my day with your air of don’t fuck with me.
ED
August 23rd, 2012 at 11:40 pm
I would kill the son of a bastard that tried to get parental rights to a child I bore from a rape.
August 23rd, 2012 at 11:46 pm
I just finish reading the dialogue between you and Dwight, Domina. What did you expect to happen when you wrote in with that tired mess about men being raped? Did you somehow lose sight of the fact that the topic was about men raping women and impregnating them?
If the pregnancy from rape wasn’t the issue and merely gender rape I could see your diversion to women raping men. But your venture off into that field under the circumstances diminished the seriousness of the circumstances women who got pregnant because of a rape had to deal with.
That didn’t occur to you, huh?
Martha
August 23rd, 2012 at 11:49 pm
Hell, Fatimah, for that matter I could be a blade of grass tomorrow, that don’t mean I’m not going to mow my lawn today if it needs it.
August 24th, 2012 at 12:36 am
Michelle, I live in San Rafael as of tonight. Just finish unpacking. I am bisexual. My husband hasn’t decided if he is willing to move out to California, remain in New York, and try this long distance love affair.
He knows that I am bisexual, he married me anyway. I thought he was so wonderful but later I found out that he was gay not bisexual but gay. I refused to have sex with him any more. I just couldn’t have sex with a man who was shoving that thing up another man’s ass. I mean what if came home without washing that thing.
Our marriage is now in its 11th year because I know how to please a gay man. I’m sure Domina knows what I’m talking about.
But I would love to meet you. May I call I have your number.
Alicia
August 24th, 2012 at 7:15 am
Lisa #31, I thought of saying that, though you’d only go to jail yourself and over a rapist claiming parental rights, oh no, we cannot have that. I think I’d pull a ‘catch me if you can’ and let’s see how far that rapist and judge go to find me and ‘his child’ (oh please…). I feel for any woman who feels she has to put up with this situation bc of financial factors or the fear factor of running away, I know it’s not the easiest idea to follow through on, I just don’t think I could look at the bastard and hand over a child to him. – ZL