“Juneteenth” A Day Late
Posted by Michelle Moquin on June 20th, 2013
Oops.
Good morning!
Well…I meant to post this on the 19th, yesterday, and I even had it already to go in my queue. But lately I have been losing track of the dates, not the day (that would be disasterous in my business), just what date it is. And days seem to fly by. Is anyone else feeling this way?
Anyway…what can I say? Better late than to not recognize such an important day. For many, June 19th is just another day. For so many others, Juneteenth was Freedom Day.
From the Huff Po:
What Do We Tell Our Children About Slavery?
June 19th may not be as widely celebrated today as it was for more than a century, but it remains one of the most important dates in this nation’s climb from slavery to freedom.
In the late spring of 1865 — two years after Abraham Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation into law, two months after the Civil War’s official end and within days of the president’s assassination — most slaves were still not free.
In Texas, the Confederacy’s southernmost hold, the task of informing the slaves went to Major General Gordon Granger. Riding into Galveston on June 19 armed with General Order No. 3, he made the announcement: from that day forward, all slaves would, at last and forever, be free.
June 19, or “Juneteenth,” as it is now called, commemorates African-American’s “independence day.” That this hard-won freedom has yet to be fully realized is no secret. That our images of slavery remain distorted is a surprise.
In this 150th anniversary year of the Emancipation Proclamation, two recent films pivot on the era: Lincoln and Django Unchained. In Lincoln, slaves are unbelievably absent; inDjango, they’re unbelievable.
On television, PBS aired a three-part documentary, The Abolitionists. In it, the role of slaves and free Blacks in abolition was — with the exception of Frederick Douglass (one of the most famous men of his day) — non-existent.
On the side of progress, a new biography, Thomas Jefferson: The Art of Power, by Jon Meacham, is the first to unequivocally relate the relationship between Jefferson and Sally Hemings. The enslaved 14-year-old half-sister of his deceased wife, he took her to Paris and kept her at Monticello, where he fathered their six children.
In 2010, nearly two centuries after his death, for his transgressions, the Texas Board of Education removed the third president of the United States from the state curriculum. With Texas as one of the country’s largest textbook-buying blocks, that statewide decision cast a chill on the publishing industry and endangered historical accuracy nationwide.
Slavery. It’s complicated.
As Mark Twain wrote in Life on the Mississippi (censored and expurgated for decades by his publisher for observations as pungent as this): “I missed one thing in the South — African slavery. That horror is gone, and permanently. Therefore, half the South is at last emancipated; half the South is free. But the White half is apparently as far from emancipation as ever.”
He was half-right. 150 years after Emancipation — because the refusal to confront slavery’s wrongs plunged the South into Jim Crow segregation — slavery’s grip remains powerful and painful. Black and White, it haunts us all, keeping us bound to the past. Straining every institution and discourse, its wounds cut deep.
So, how do we heal and move on? What can we tell our children about slavery to prevent the continued spread of its toxicity for generations to come?
1. Tell them the truth (in age-appropriate doses).
Slavery is a system of institutionalized terror that denies freedom to some for the benefit of others. Slavery in America lasted 246 years (1619-1865) and destroyed an estimated one hundred million lives.
2. Rethink the phrases we take for granted.
No one is “born a slave.” Nature does not make people slaves; people enslave other people. Slaves were people tortured for profit; priced and bartered like furniture.
3. Be clear about your values.
We condemn and punish those who steal a watch or a car. Are human beings not worth the consideration due a watch? Don’t absolve George Washington as a slave owner because he freed some of his slaves in his will. If you were his slave, would that satisfy you?
4. Model healing, not abuse.
Every child knows what is fair and what is not. Demonstrations that divide children into groups of slaves and masters reinforce privilege and powerlessness. Educate them to justice, not to slaveholding.
5. Avoid easy explanations and stereotypes.
Not every Northerner was an abolitionist nor every Southerner pro-slavery. The North ended slavery decades before the Civil War, but profited from it to the end. The whips, lashes and chains used to enforce slavery in the South were manufactured in the North.
6. Celebrate the good.
The more I learn of slaves, the more I know of heroes. Among them, Arnold Cragston, a slave by day who rowed others to freedom by night. In her Midnight School, Milla Granson taught fellow slaves to read and to write the passes that would set their minds and bodies free.
Today, on Juneteenth, we are reminded that only by confronting what is wrong can we make things right. To see ourselves as part of the struggle is to empower ourselves as part of the solution.
© Janus Adams 2013
Janus Adams, author of Freedom Days: 365 Inspired Moments in Civil Rights History, is founder and publisher of BackPax children’s media. The newest title is STEAL AWAY: Escape to Freedom on the Underground Railroad – a book, audio, and board game set. Her website is: www.JanusAdams.com
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June 20th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
Hi Michelle,
Life is good. The new job is keeping me busy. It’s an adjustment having to work an extra day a week, but I guess I’ll survive. :-)
I know what you mean about losing faith in womenkind. I often feel the same way. I just don’t see enlightenment coming fast enough to save humanity and the planet. It’s depressing.
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I just saw the jury was selected for the George Zimmerman trial in Florida. All women, 5 white and 1 minority (whose race was not divulged – my guess is probably not African American).
I can only hope this group is smarter than the average white woman.
/SB
June 20th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
Unless the network acts on this, I’m going to have to boycott Food Network. I copied the story below from the local paper.
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This week, it came out that Food Network, butter queen punchline, and all-around objectionable diabetes hypocrite Paula Deen admitted to using the N-word, made racially charged “jokes” and discussed the ways the word could be “not said in a mean way.” Really.
Today, Paula Deen Enterprises issued a statement to TMZ, which essentially blames her casual, horrible bigotry … on being old. The statement reads, in part: “[Paula] was born 60 years ago when America’s South had schools that were segregated, different bathrooms, different restaurants and Americans rode in different parts of the bus. This is not today.” There is no apology.
As TMZ also points out, she admitted to using the bad word in 1986, not the 1940s.
Paula Deen was born in 1947. Here is a list of other people who were born in that exact same year: Hillary Clinton, Larry David, David Letterman, Elton John, Carlos Santana. What a wonder that those people don’t go around casually uttering the N-word, given that they were born before the momentum of the civil rights movement.
In any event, as Mr. Ben Leventhal notes on Twitter, the question should now become: What will it actually take for Food Network to cut ties with Deen?
Even though she’s famously been called “the worst, most dangerous person to America” by Anthony Bourdain, Deen has remained one of the biggest and most marketable stars for the company, with three shows currently on the air (either new or rehashed episodes), and a virtual army of branded products ranging from knife sets and cookware to her own line of butter.
So far, Food Network has only said that it “will continue to monitor the situation.”
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Let’s not forget she got diabetes from the food she pushed on the public, went on diabetes medicine and now makes money hawking the drug.
Does anyone need another example of white greed?? It’s just not limited to white boys. She’s a disgrace to women everywhere.
/SB
June 20th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
Ooops, forgot. The statement Deen issued was in response to a previous deposition coming to light. There’s a link below the article on her “dream southern plantation wedding” (really!) where you can read the whole transcript.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/06/paula-deen-racial.php
/SB
June 21st, 2013 at 7:54 am
Social Butterfly I was appalled that the Deen slob was allowed to remain until my best friend came over and I brought up the subject. She reads this blog also.
She said that she had never used the word herself though she had heard it often. Then she surprised me and said she was glad someone stood up to those African Americans.
She is no bigot. She supported Obama with more than $30,000 in dollars. This told me that white America is so entrenched in being special that they secretly support any white that gives them that feeling.
June 21st, 2013 at 8:10 am
3D Mammography Finds More Breast Cancers
Breast tomosynthesis, commonly called 3D mammography, is a relatively new imaging technique that catches more breast cancers than regular 2D mammograms—while more accurately identifying harmless spots as benign.
Recent research reveals how well it works…
A new study from Norway included 12,631 women who were screened with both 2D and 3D mammography.
When radiologists had access to both the 2D and 3D exams, they detected 40% more cases of invasive breast cancer (the type that has spread outside the milk duct or lobule and into the breast tissue itself) than when they saw only the 2D exams.
In a separate study from Massachusetts General Hospital, the combination of 2D and 3D mammography reduced false-positive results (when a suspicious-looking abnormality is found but turns out to be benign) by 39%.
Diane LoRusso, MD, a clinical assistant professor at Weill Cornell Medical College who has practiced radiology for nearly four decades, calls 3D mammography a “remarkable breakthrough and a major improvement in our ability to detect breast cancer.”
But: There are some downsides to the 3D test. Should you be asking your doctor for a 3D mammogram? Here’s the info you need to decide…
THE BENEFITS OF 3D
A regular mammogram is a two-dimensional picture of a three-dimensional object that’s been flattened out by those uncomfortable breast-squishing plates. Because the compressed breast tissue ends up overlapping itself, one feature can hide in the shadow of another, making it difficult to find tiny cancers hidden in the breast. (Imagine a bunch of letters of the alphabet being layered one on top of the other. They’d be hard to read, right? That’s similar to what happens with a 2D mammogram image.)
For the 3D mammogram, the breast is still compressed between the plates—but the arm of the X-ray machine rotates in an arc above the breast, taking 15 separate images. Those are then processed on a computer to create a 3D image that the radiologist can manipulate to view 50 to 60 individual millimeter-thin “slices” of breast tissue. By eliminating overlapping structures, abnormalities are more easily seen. (Imagine that pile of alphabet letters being separated layer by layer. You could view each letter individually, so they would be easy to read.)
The 3D images help radiologists pin down the size, shape and precise location of abnormalities—details that tend to be obscured on 2D images. The improved visibility explains why 3D mammograms detect tumors that 2D mammograms miss…and why the new technology is less likely to yield those anxiety-producing false-positive results that lead to unnecessary (and expensive) extra testing.
THE DOWNSIDES
Currently, 3D mammography is FDA-approved for use only in addition to regular mammography, not instead of it—so even if you opt for the 3D test, you’ll still need regular 2D mammograms as well. One reason is that an important aspect of mammogram reading is to compare a patient’s new images to her previous images to see whether anything has changed. Since those previous images were all 2D, for comparison’s sake, you need a 2D version of your current images, too. Fortunately, both scans can be performed on the same mammography equipment in rapid succession. (In the future, the FDA may approve the use of 3D mammography alone and/or the technology may be available to produce 2D-like images from the 3D scans—but for now, the separate 2D test is required.)
Radiation is another concern. Though the 3D scan uses about the same amount of radiation as the 2D scan, combining the two doubles your radiation exposure. Still, the total radiation dose for the combined test is well below three milligray, which is the FDA limit for a single mammogram—and it’s less than the radiation dose from the film (rather than digital) 2D mammograms of the past. As Dr. LoRusso pointed out, because 3D mammograms produce fewer false-positive results, your overall radiation dose may be lower in the long run since you’re less likely to be called back for additional mammograms.
The amount of breast compression involved in 3D mammography is no different from that required for a 2D scan. However, to do both the 2D and 3D tests, you have to endure that breast squishing a bit longer—for about six to 12 seconds per breast, compared with the two to four seconds needed for just the 2D test alone. The good news: The design of the compression device on the 3D unit is more comfortable for most patients, Dr. LoRusso said.
Another downside is the expense. Insurance companies generally do not cover 3D mammography because they still consider it experimental. Hopefully, this will change in the not-to-distant future (and it certainly couldn’t hurt to ask your insurance company to cover your 3D test). For now, though, you’ll probably have to pay the extra cost yourself. Typically this ranges from about $50 to $100, depending on your location and your doctor—a small price to pay for improved cancer detection.
MAKING YOUR CHOICE
Dr. LoRusso recommends the 3D test for all her mammography patients because research shows that it benefits women with all breast types. However, it is particularly important for the 30% of women whose breasts are dense (meaning that they contain more glandular or connective tissue than fatty tissue). Mammogram X-rays do not see through dense tissue as easily as they see through fat tissue—cancerous tissue and dense areas both appear white on the mammogram, so identifying cancer is like trying to pick out a particular cloud in a cloud-filled sky.
Ask your local radiology center or hospital whether it provides 3D mammography…or use the manufacturer’s locator service. Currently about 300 radiology centers in the US offer this test. To learn more about 3D mammography and see the machine in action, check out this video from Dr. LoRusso’s Web site.
Finally, Dr. LoRusso said, it is very important to realize that 3D mammography should not replace other breast tests that your doctor may recommend. For instance, if you have dense breasts or palpable masses, you also may need breast ultrasound screening…if you are at very high risk for breast cancer due to genetic factors, you also may need a breast MRI. In short, 3D mammography is an important new tool in the fight to detect breast cancer, but it is not the only tool.
Source: Diane LoRusso, MD, clinical assistant professor, Weill Cornell Medical College, New York City, and cofounder, Rye Radiology Associates, Rye Brook, New York. http://www.RyeRadiology.com
June 21st, 2013 at 8:21 am
When I saw this I was appalled.
I notice that some readers have questioned the number of lives consumed by the Slave Trade.
The number – 100,000,000 – is the estimate of Dr. W. E. B. Du Bois (Harvard’s first African-American PhD; sociologist-historian; co-founder of the NAACP; “Father of Pan-Africanism”).
It makes perfect sense when you consider that American slavery alone lasted from the colonial period to the Civil War’s end (1619-1865) – 246 years! Unlike the European Holocaust of 1938-1945 or the Euro-American genocide of indigenous peoples on these shores in the 16th-19th centuries, this is not the number of people killed outright. It represents people kidnapped, shipped, thrown overboard en route, bought, sold, held in bondage, tortured, and murdered – all in the name of slavery, a New World labor force, and profit in the making of America.
If the number sounds high, that’s the point. Slavery in the US marked an extended period of unparalleled devastation.
Had American slavery truly ended in 1865, I doubt the topic would be as contentious as it is. Instead, slavery was resurrected as the legal segregation of the late-19th through mid-20th centuries. Every Black person was prey to the state-sponsored terror of institutionalized racism. And, vestiges of both slavery and segregation outlived the Civil Rights era to impact the lives of every American to this day.
That’s why this conversation is so important. Thanks for your participation.
Janus Adams
June 21st, 2013 at 8:24 am
‘m not sure why people feel the need to compare slavery in the US to slavery in other countries. Wrong is wrong any way you dress it.
Saying that other people were doing it to does not justify slavery. Saying that Africans sold their own doesn’t justify slavery. Saying that blacks owned slaves doesn’t justify slavery.
I don’t blame any one walking this earth today for slavery, but the cover-ups and ignorance of the facts is mind-blowing and is a real problem.
I get that guilt factors in to why people aren’t fully educated on the subject. But the fact of the matter is that it is everyone’s history who considers themselves to be American. Its part of who we all are.
Don’t be ashamed, don’t feel guilty, don’t make excuses. Just embrace it as a part of our heritage and learn from it. Great people (white and black) rose up out of a really nasty situation in this country and our kids should all be proud of how they overcame adversity and social pressures to do great things.
June 21st, 2013 at 8:30 am
If you want to teach your children (children of every color) about slavery and its harmful effects, have them put together a family tree. Some children will be able to trace their roots back to the 15th or 16th century. Other children (mainly black) will only be able to go as far back as the mid/late 1800s (I experienced this issue when doing my own family tree).
Since slaves weren’t accounted for by name on the census lists, the person will eventually reach a dead end. One of the worst things you can do to a person (or a group of people) is make it nearly impossible for them to know who they are and where they come from.
June 21st, 2013 at 8:30 am
Where do you get the “100 million lives” from?
June 21st, 2013 at 8:32 am
Tell them that slavery has been a part of history for thousands of years that it was not just something that happened in the United States. Tell them that more often that not people were sold into siavery by their own.
Tell them about the plight of the Native Americn Indians and their absolutely horrid treatment (key word here is Native). Tell the the that that many Europeans where basically slaves called indentured servants. Tell them that there were free blacks that also owned slaves during this time.
Tell them that in addition to the many black people who fought against slavery and often died because of it their were many white people that opposed it as well. Tell them that you can’t place the “sins of the father” on the ancestors today. Tell them that history is to be learned from and it shouldn’t be used as an excuse for actions in the present.
June 21st, 2013 at 8:33 am
http://www.awesomestories.com/assets/thomas-jefferson-indictment-of-slavery-in-the-declaration
Thomas Jefferson – Indictment of Slavery in the Declaration – Awesome Stories
“A man of contrasts who owned slaves, Thomas Jefferson declared that all men were born equal. He included a scathing indictment of slavery in the first draft of the Declaration of Independence. John Adams agreed with his position, but Benjamin Franklin believed it would never be approved by the full Congress. Franklin urged that the anti-slavery phrases be removed – and they were.
In addition, Franklin made a significant edit to Jefferson’s original version of the Declaration of Independence. It was he who changed the draft from “We hold these truths to be sacred and undeniable; that all men are created equal and independent” to “We hold these truths to be self evident; that all men are created equal.”
This video clip – from John Adams, the HBO mini-series – recreates those discussions and is based on historical evidence.”
June 21st, 2013 at 8:35 am
My ancestors were brought here in chains, sold into slavery by the British.
The British sold the Irish as slaves in the new world longer before Africans were brought here.
This fact is almost unknown in this country. It is not taught in schools. It is not a large part of American history.
The discrimination against the Irish lasted well into the 20th century with NINA (No Irish Need Apply) signs being hung outside of factories in the 1930s.
We do not carry this chip on our shoulders and we do not teach our children the story of slavery as if it were happening to us now.
Asians also did and do face harsh discrimination but they do not make a career out of complaining about it. They study hard and work hard and do well and their family structure is strong.
In Chicago there is a Chinatown, Germantown, Greektown, Little Italy, Canaryville (it’s an Irish neighborhood) and many other single ethnic dominated areas that are NOT filled with poverty and violence.
It is long past time for these blacks (not all blacks) to get off the pity pot and get down to the business of taking care of themselves.
June 21st, 2013 at 8:36 am
NRR, That is a bunch of bullcrap. Still trying to avoid the real deal of Slavery. The biggest problem with these bs conservations is that Slavery is not over.
It is in black folks’ minds and heart. It is in white folks’ mind and heart. It is a birth defect of this country that has not died or been healed. This is more white folks’ pacification. And more appeasing negroes trying not to insult them. I would not give a damn.
JUST THEM THE TRUTH THE WAY IT WAS…..AND HAS BEEN SINCE. If you don’t want to get Real with these conversations. Then do not have any black kids….or half black ones. Truthfully, ever since they so-called freed Us.
They have been trying to put our black behinds back under Psychology Slavery. This goes to show that no other man can free you. You will have to do it yourself. And WE still have not done this. We are still in the original Oppressor control.
June 21st, 2013 at 8:37 am
Take your children to Ash Grove, Missouri and find Father Moses Berry. He has a collection of family artifacts in the Ozarks Afro-American Heritage Museum. My family and I visited three years ago when my children were 11 and 8.
Father Berry presents the story of his ancestors in a way that educates people of all ages to the horrific way people once treated each other while leaving all who meet him with a sense that we can be better people than those who preceded us.
June 21st, 2013 at 8:38 am
Tell the children truth.
Slavery continued until WW II under other names…
http://www.pbs.org/tpt/slavery-by-another-name/watch/
Watch the Film | Slavery by Another Name | PBS
http://www.pbs.org/tpt/slavery-by-another-name/themes/peonage/
Peonage | Themes | Slavery by Another Name | PBS
Slavery v. Peonage
Peonage, also called debt slavery or debt servitude, is a system where an employer compels a worker to pay off a debt with work. Legally, peonage was outlawed by Congress in 1867.
However, after Reconstruction, many Southern black men were swept into peonage though different methods, and the system was not completely eradicated until the 1940s.
In some cases, employers advanced workers some pay or initial transportation costs, and workers willingly agreed to work without pay in order to pay it off. Sometimes those debts were quickly paid off, and a fair wage worker/employer relationship established.
In many more cases, however, workers became indebted to planters (through sharecropping loans), merchants (through credit), or company stores (through living expenses). Workers were often unable to re-pay the debt, and found themselves in a continuous work-without-pay cycle…”
June 21st, 2013 at 8:41 am
I am a parent of a 4 year old and her pre-school class has been learning about slavery as part of Black History month. I do think this is a great article, but what I find missing is informing parents of how a teacher will approach the subject of slavery.
As a parent you want to shelter your kids at least a little from the painful truths of slavery in the US – especially at the tender age of 4. However, you article has shown me how important is it cover these issues in the classroom.
I would advocate for more communication with parents – so we are prepared to handle the questions at home and don’t create confusion for the children. This topic, if we are going to introduce it at such a young age, must have a coordinate team approach.
June 21st, 2013 at 8:41 am
Very interesting article. I’m a history buff, but I don’t believe in whitewashing history. If we do that, then we fail to grasp the lessons we need to learn from the past.
I live in South Dakota and we have a large Native American population. While I don’t think it would be smart to re-enact the Wounded Knee massacre, I do believe that we need to hear the other side.
I don’t remember once in my high school history classes that we learned the Native Side or the African American side of history.
June 21st, 2013 at 8:43 am
I enjoyed your article. I would highly recommend families who want to learn about the period and struggles of slavery to visit Colonial Williamsburg in VA. I have gone 6 times and felt like I was LIVING history.
I am white and my knowlege of slavery is what I learned many years ago from textbooks, tv etc. In Colonial Williamsburg, there are programs that focus on slavery that are amazing. I learned more in a few days there than in all my 46 years.
There is a program called Mama Said, Papa Said that was moving to me. The people who portray slaves there are so full of passion that they move you and they don’t sugar coat it at all.
June 21st, 2013 at 8:44 am
I’m probably commenting too late but……
My family lived for several centuries somewhere that was a huge point of shipments to America- and were in the shipping industry until the early 20th century. It would be ridiculous to believe our hands weren’t dirty.
But I was never taught embarrassment over the truth. I was taught that in the past, people had some crazy, wrong, destructive beliefs and but that didn’t mean I had to share them.
I was taught honestly and wholeheartedly by my parents what the reality was…. and I was shocked in college, when I took a class about race and status in America, that other white people were so defensive about this past. Of course it’s ugly! Of course the stain is still with us! Frankly as an American, it’s offensive to gloss this over.
Talking to children is a whole other ball of wax, but if the adults can’t see the truth and just live with it, how do we expect the kids to be able to navigate their feelings on this? Especially when adults have foolhardy exercises that single children out? I mean there’s a time for catering to kinetic learners, but this isn’t it!
I’m not sure what the answer is, but I think we need to listen to people like the writer of this post, and use common sense. And teach the truth, applying it to what injustice exists today.
June 21st, 2013 at 9:29 am
SB, I was just getting over beatings for jesus and now there’s Paula Deen.
The bfj thing sounds like that article indicates, it’s the men who have issues and control women (who I would assert, also have issues) this walks a weird odd line for me, on the one hand it sounds like the 2 parties have what amounts to (sans the religious context) a dominant/subordinate sexual relationship which often simmers over into out of bed play. IN the name of jesus is what’s really disturbing bc if it is consensual, and these women are down with it, then they are ritualizing their domme/sub sexual play into family time, again, in the name of jesus?! Really…?
We can face it or not, a lot of men are disturbed and stunted in their intimacy and control issues (they want to own you, or at least know where you are constantly) and some women grow up in disturbing environments where a spanking and a comforting session with the spanker left mixed messages about love.
In adulthood, there are many ways to show love and some people like the domme/sub thing, some like a little master and servant role-playing, and some like a spanking as just sex play, it is a scary and fine line when it turns into anything more than that with consent (and no safe word, not even your ‘saviors’)…although as adults if this is their chosen lifestyle, odd as it may be to me, it is consensual and therefore off limits, same as if a domme is walking her man around on a leash and he doesn’t mind it….
Paula Deen has always appalled me, now I know the exact reasons why…Southern racism is creepy, how do you eradicate it without using violence? Maybe she’ll just have an early departure bc of all that diabetic crap she calls food and her magic bullets to handle what she caused in herself and peddled to others.
I agree Mischa, some women are disturbing and very disappointing. Even ones that are on it often fall for men who not very progressive, what can you do…
Thanks for the 2 links, SB, very informative indeed.
Luv, Zen Lill