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Burkini Ban In France

Posted by Michelle Moquin on August 26th, 2016

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Baheejah, Vida, Fatima, et al: It has been some time since the subject of Islam has been broached on my blog. I look forward to the day when western men will refuse to do business with a country whose men follow not a religion, but a cult that terrorizes, rapes, tortures, and murders their women. Considering how long it took us to elect a female president, I’m not counting on that happening any time soon. But hey, who knows what a female president can do. We haven’t had one yet so I’m not putting any limits on her.

Fatima: I am not sure if this is you (I’m assuming it is), who posted this comment back in 2011. Whether this is you or not, I decided to repost it again because it is an excellent, well articulated write that deserves another round of blog time.

Islam is accepted in the modern world all over the planet because those men who practice it have OIL. That is how allah is truly spelt by westerners. This talk of respecting a “religion” they know is an evil cult designed to keep women as sexual slaves is just a western man’s way of looking the other way at this evil while he does business with the enslavers for their OIL.

This article Michelle as (sic) boldly presented, clearly shows that islam is a cult designed to control females with terror in the name of a religion. For if their god allah says it is alright to beat us, then who has the right to question their god, allah, that is the claim these evil men are making and daring the rest of the world to object to under penalty of a fatwā of violence issued against them.

Of course islamic men will fight and die to keep the right to own women, just as America’s confederate fought and died to keep the right to own slaves. That does not mean it is a religion, just as it does not make any claim America’s southerns make that it was about “independence and self determination” true. Neither does the fact that over a billion people “worship” islam. At least half of those do it without their consent because they are captives of that cult. The other half are the captors.

Of course your pope would accept this abomination as a legitimate religion. It has only been a short time since catholicism has been forced to withdraw their doctrine which allowed their male worshipers to own their women. That doctrine still lingers as men under the pretext of being “devout” continue to attempt to use their “scripture’s” proclamations to control the bodies of western women.

So what does it boil down to? Alycedale, and you Michelle speak the truth when you say “men.” All over the world men use religion to force women into situations they could not do with logic.

So, yes, Zen Lill#7, marriage is but the telling to other men. “I have branded this cattle and it is mine.” If you trespass I have a legal means of suing you. We as females are but cattle to muslim men to be herded on their ranch called “family.” until we are selected out to be sold as sexual pleasures to the buyer.

The rest of the world accepts these “marriages” as binding legal contracts giving the owners the right to do as they see fit with that cattle. American white men are all too familiar with this type of ownership of human beings. They enjoyed the same recognition of the right to own another human being for centuries and continued it after the “emancipation” of those human being for another 2 and a half centuries. Your very election today is mostly the white males in your country refusing to give up their privileged status obtained from their illegal slavery of OTWs, and the use of “religion” to regulate the actions and control the bodies of their females.

We study and learn about the dangers of accepting your SCOTUS as a body independent of cultural and economic influence when it rules. Your 7-2, Dred Scott decision in 1857 which held that a slave did not become free when taken into a free state is not unlike saying a woman does not become free of the slavery of islam when she is taken into America.

Both decisions rest on the incredibly disgusting position that slavery of another human being is not the issue. The only issue was then and is now is whether that enslaved human being could assert his/her freedom in a state/country that did not accept the disgusting position.

So the western world does not consider the incredibly disgusting position that slavery of females is up for discussion by this “religion,” only whether that slave should be beaten when a mufti asserts under islamic law that she can. Incredibly disgusting!

Thank you Michelle for exposing this cult for what it is. Islamic men will declare that you are blaspheming a “religion” of a billion people. Please do not waver. Enslavers declaring a right because they have forced at least half of their constituency to be a part of it under penalty of death if they leave it or speak negatively of it, is without merit.

For certain if the penalty of death was lifted islam would be a cult of only men. It would go the way of your catholicism. Something else would be formed. Today women would be free to accept islam without the constrictions for females. Many of your offshoots of catholicism practice christianity that does not make a female the sexual slave of men.

There is NO redeeming value of islam as long as it is used to be vehicle for the enslavement and control of females under the pretext allah said so. No God would enslave half its people under the other half. That is just BS which benefits the lust of men.

*****

My love to you and all my sisters. May you all be safe. ❤️

While we’re on the subject of Islam, I found this write from Daily Kos:

I should have a right to choose…what I wear.

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I have been following the French #burkiniban news on twitter and other stories about women being kicked off of airplanes and it gets more and more alarming for me personally — I often wear a headwrap – and now feel that I am pressured to not wear one when traveling.

France’s burkini ban is a dangerous move for feminism

A full-body wetsuit garment for Muslim women is at the centre of a controversy in France, and the debate is raising difficult questions about feminism, Islamophobia and the country’s values.  At least six towns on the Mediterranean coast have banned the burkini — a swimsuit that covers the torso, limbs and head — and three more are threatening to do the same. The mayor of Cannes, David Lisnard, who was the first to forbid the beachwear on the basis that it disrespected “good morals and secularism” and posed a threat to public order, called the burkini “the uniform of extremist Islamism.” 

Women who break the law face a fine of €38 (£33; $42) and several Muslim women have already been penalised. France’s secular political establishment was united in backing the measure, but failed short of bringing it to a national level. Prime Minister Manuel Valls said in an interview published Wednesday in the La Provence newspaper the burkini reflects a worldview based on “the enslavement of women … That is not compatible with the values of France.” Many Muslim women regard the ban as sexist, Islamophobic and — most of all — counterproductive for the purpose of assimilating Muslims in the country. 

“It’s a blatant violation of women’s rights — the right for women to decide what to wear and their freedom of movement,” Rim-Sarah Alouane, a religious freedom expert at the University of Toulouse and a Muslim raised in France, told Mashable. “Women are not even asked for their opinion: They’re dictated to by male officials what they can wear on the beach.”

On Al Jazeera’s “Inside Story – French ‘burkini’ ban: secularism or security?” host Folly Bah Thibault discusses the issue with her guests — Jacques Myard – French Member of Parliament and member of the opposition Republicans party, Yasser Louati – Human Rights and Civil Liberties Activist and former head of International Relations for the Collective Against Islamophobia in France, and Anne Giudicelli – Security Analyst, and founder of the security risk consultancy firm, Terrorisc.

I agree with this French feminist – women are damned for what we wear – whether bare or not bare.

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The hypocrisy about French secularism is patently obvious. Catholic religious garb is not banned.

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Nor are wet-suits:

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Air travel for women who are wearing a head scarves becomes more problematic, as self-styled vigilantes “report” on them for suspicious activity.

Three British Muslim siblings were left traumatised after being escorted off a plane in London and interrogated on the tarmac as armed police kept watch, after fellow passengers accused them of being members of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, also known as ISIS) group.

Sakina Dharas, 24, her sister Maryam, 19, and their brother Ali, 21, were on board EasyJet flight EZY3249 from London’s Stansted Airport to the Italian city of Naples on August 17.

Sakina told Al Jazeera on Tuesday that as the plane was about to take off, a crew member ordered the siblings off the aircraft and escorted them down the staircase to the tarmac, where they were met by armed police and an MI5 agent who questioned them for one hour.

Earlier, two passengers – also travelling to Naples – had told authorities that the siblings had been looking at a mobile phone screen that showed either Arabic text or the words “praise be to Allah”, Sakina said.

“A passenger on your flight has claimed that you three are members of ISIS,” the MI5 agent said to the siblings, according to Sakina, a clinical pharmacist.

This story in the Guardian about the woman on the beach being forced to take off some of her clothing, by police is distressing.

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Photographs have emerged of armed French police confronting a woman on a beach and making her remove some of her clothing as part of a controversial ban on the burkini. Authorities in several French towns have implemented bans on the burkini, which covers the body and head, citing concerns about religious clothing in the wake of recent terrorist killings in the country. The images of police confronting the woman in Nice on Tuesday show at least four police officers standing over a woman who was resting on the shore at the town’s Promenade des Anglais, the scene of last month’s Bastille Day lorry attack.

After they arrive, she appears to remove a blue long-sleeved tunic, although one of the officers appears to take notes or issue an on-the-spot fine.The photographs emerged as a mother of two also told on Tuesday how she had been fined on the beach in nearby Cannes wearing leggings, a tunic and a headscarf.Her ticket, seen by French news agency AFP, read that she was not wearing “an outfit respecting good morals and secularism”.

Meanwhile, here in the U.S., I’m looking forward to the Headwrap Expo, which is going to be taking place in September in Dearborn, Michigan, which will include interfaith panel discussions between Sikhs, Muslims, Christians, Jews, Rastafarians, and other spiritual communities who incorporate some type of covering.

There is an interesting side-note to this issue — as a result of the controversy, global Burkini sales are up. The designer of the burkini says that 40% of her sales go to non-Muslim women.

I believe women should have a right to choose. They should not be forced to wear hijab in certain countries, nor should they be forced to wear bikinis, or other Euro-style swim-wear or street dress in others.

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31 Responses to “Burkini Ban In France”

  1. Social Butterfly Says:

    I saw another political cartoon on this subject yesterday (wish I could post a graphic here!) It showed two panels side by side – the left were 2 arab men standing over two women sitting on the ground – the caption said put this on (putting a burka on them). The right side panel showed two white men standing over two women sitting on the ground – the caption said take this off (pulling the burka off them.

    What echoed in my brain is men, of all cultures, are still trying to control women.

    My personal belief is women need to decide for themselves. My personal opinion when I see the burka is its a sign of enslavement. But, I’m sure some women actually feel safer in their burkas because men are dogs and they know in their own culture, they are inviting harassment.

    It’s a complicated issue that women need to decide for themselves, and need the freedom to be able to make that decision on their own behalf. I know the M.E. has a long way to go before that’s a reality however.

    /SB

  2. Occupy Democrats Says:

    Steve Bannon, Donald Trump’s new campaign manager and editor of the alt-right racist tabloid Breitbart News, is committing felony voter fraud. He votes in Florida, a major swing state, but his Florida ‘residence’ is unoccupied and about to be demolished. Bannon claims the property in Miami-Dade County on his voter registration, presumably so he can vote in one of the states where his vote matters most.

    However, since Bannon does not actually reside in Florida, he is committing voter fraud. According to the Miami-Dade Division of Elections, residency is established if a “person mentally intends to make his or her permanent residence;” this can be proven with a driver’s license, mail addressed to the house and “doing other activities normally … associated with home life.” Whatever Bannon is doing to claim he resides at an abandoned demolition. As the Guardian notes, “wilfully submitting false information on a Florida voter registration – or helping someone to do so – is a third-degree felony punishable by up to five years in prison.”

    The Trump campaign insists that Bannon is residing at “another location” in Florida, but this location is undisclosed and not available to the public record – because Bannon is not registered to vote there. In the past he has lived in California but rented the house in Miami for his ex-wife whom he divorced in 2009. We cannot determine whether he remained in the house, but if he rented it for a woman and then divorced her, we imagine he likely did not stay there.

  3. Social Butterfly Says:

    I just read that the burqa ban was overturned today.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/08/26/frances-top-administrative-court-overturns-burkini-ban/

    /SB

  4. Zen Lill Says:

    Great post and repost of Fatima’s post from 2011 with the additional current news article(s) always wishing the best for the ME women who show up here, I know it’s risky for you.

    Here’s my take:

    Hmmm this actually is another annoying way to exert control where it’s truly not needed. My first thought is wear what you want to wear and be done with it…

    but it doesn’t end there bc this IS
    (and isn’t) about the ‘Burqini’ as an item of swim wear.

    …it’s about the name of the item, and more importantly, what it allegedly infers:

    1. that any woman wearing one is a Muslim (correct to a point, although the designer has said that a good percentage of sales are non-Muslim women and for a variety of reasons, Asian women often wear full cover up at pools and beaches I’ve noticed during my travels)

    …and look at above pic of a mans wetsuit, this is similar but again we women are left explaining ourselves while a man could wear that to the beach any day (and only suffer at the ridicule of his buddies)

    So back to the name, Burqini, it leads to the next point: 2. “Muslims are a threat” they’re all bad, all are terrorists or wannabe terrorists and we need to be xenophobic towards them all.

    Another thought, If the designer had called it ‘wetsuits for women’ or something more catchy and less culturally ‘inflammatory’ would we be here commenting?

    …perhaps that was her original target market thus the name and then it grew and is now marketed to women who are cancer survivors and/or just like to maintain their light skin tone (or name a reason) BUT Burqini carries the charge mentioned in #2 and therefore a problem to the secular peeps in France, in general and particularly now where it’s politically charged in light of the Bastille Day massacre in Nice.

    I will repost the ‘indoctrination of women’ rant from 2 days ago bc while I’m not for or against ‘covering’ or baring too much, (that’s personal decision to me), my question is: Why are we always under scrutiny??

    Luv, Zen Lill

  5. Zen Lill Says:

    I’m saying point #2 is the underlying charge not my personal feelings just want to be clear in that. ~ ZL

  6. Zen Lill Says:

    And #3 Dois, glad I have company in the “I’ll stay bad (and free : ) thank you very much” club And #3 Dois, glad I have company in the “I’ll stay bad (and free : ) thank you very much” club

    #6 Olga thank you I’m glad you saw the beauty and that’s wh I’m reposting it…some may have missed it bc it was the last comment on a very busy day and I know I can be lengthy but it’s not without necessity sometimes…

    Here’s the soapbox rant fr Thursday:

    26 Tooraj, you make a correct statement, religious use (or not), men sell women into believing that w26 Tooraj, you make a correct statement, religious use (or not), men sell women into believing that we ‘respect’ them by remaining chaste (i.e. on their terms) meanwhile doing what they want, whether that’s chasing others or just going and living life on their terms and you fit into it somewhere/some way of their determination (and part of that is making you believe that “if you’re my special one you would want to keep your chasteness out of respect for me and to prove your trustworthiness” utter nonsense if I ever heard it, next up is telling you what you can and cannot talk about…controlling BS even the best of western women fall for, total crap)

    I comment on all religions the same bc they are started by men and perpetuate that, and that overall indoctrination runs deep, so much so that even secularist women will say but if he’s a ‘good man’ I’m ok with that …

    Hmm, I question anyone who infers I must behave how they want me to, to be deemed acceptable (under their terms) good man or not.

    It all goes so deep even other western women will subtly if not openly slut shame each other, it’s pathetic and runs very deep and most women end up with ‘low self esteem’ over not thinking that through very well, and of course, most low level men love low self esteem females here bc they’ll do what’s necessary to seek that mans favor/approval.

    Religions (males in charge) have done a horrifyingly good job of controlling women, in Islam it’s a threat to life and body and family honor, here in the west, it’s psychological and most women here never stop to bother and examine any of that ^ maybe it’s fear of losing their ‘good man’ bc we’ve been told we need one? I’m not sure…

    And I’m not sure how gay men/women see that viewpoint, I’m hetero so that’s how I see it.

    And being a ‘good man’ doesn’t have nearly the list of criteria being a ‘good woman’ has…

    I’ll stay bad (and free ; ) thank you very much.e ‘respect’ them by remaining chaste (i.e. on their terms) meanwhile doing what they want, whether that’s chasing others or just going and living life on their terms and you fit into it somewhere/some way of their determination (and part of that is making you believe that “if you’re my special one you would want to keep your chasteness out of respect for me and to prove your trustworthiness” utter nonsense if I ever heard it, next up is telling you what you can and cannot talk about…controlling BS even the best of western women fall for, total crap)

    I comment on all religions the same bc they are started by men and perpetuate that, and that overall indoctrination runs deep, so much so that even secularist women will say but if he’s a ‘good man’ I’m ok with that …

    Hmm, I question anyone who infers I must behave how they want me to, to be deemed acceptable (under their terms) good man or not.

    It all goes so deep even other western women will subtly if not openly slut shame each other, it’s pathetic and runs very deep and most women end up with ‘low self esteem’ over not thinking that through very well, and of course, most low level men love low self esteem females here bc they’ll do what’s necessary to seek that mans favor/approval.

    Religions (males in charge) have done a horrifyingly good job of controlling women, in Islam it’s a threat to life and body and family honor, here in the west, it’s psychological and most women here never stop to bother and examine any of that ^ maybe it’s fear of losing their ‘good man’ bc we’ve been told we need one? I’m not sure…

    And I’m not sure how gay men/women see that viewpoint, I’m hetero so that’s how I see it.

    And being a ‘good man’ doesn’t have nearly the list of criteria being a ‘good woman’ has…

    I’ll stay bad (and free ; ) thank you very much.

    Thanks for staying with me on 2 rants today, Luv, ZL

  7. Zen Lill Says:

    #%*^ not sure why that doubled up like that so sorry…

  8. Taqiyya Says:

    Fatima’s words are as true today as they were then. When oil ceases to be the god of western men, then the god of muslin men will no longer have the power to enslave women forced to worship him.

  9. Badra Says:

    The french flinched. They decided that it was okay for a woman to wear a burkini, as if a woman would choose to wear something so inhibiting if she were not forced to by a man’s cult religion.

    Not unlike accepting the wearing of changes by a slave with the understanding that the slave preferred them.

  10. Daisha Says:

    Women arguing that a woman should be allowed to wear what she pleases are ignoring that islamic are NOT given that option.

    She must wear what that cult forces her to wear. Until that is settled we are talking about the concept the western world is very familiar with called “Separate but Equal.”

    There is no such thing. Hence until islamic women are allowed to dress as they please the argument that they should be allowed to dress as they please is a lie.

    Hence western countries that allow islamic men to come to their country and force women to dress in such uncomfortable ways while they go to the beach in the typical western style is ludicrous. That fact does not change because a woman is making the argument that islamic women should be allowed to “wear what they want.”

  11. Cantara Says:

    I would like to direct this to Tanya Burr. Your argument is one of false equivalency. The “wetsuit” you are comparing the “burkini” to is worn by choice. It is not dictated by a cult. The person can choose to not wear it and that person will not be subject to abuse, torture, or death for choosing not to wear it.

    But you know that, yet like the sell outs that betray their race or sex for attention, acceptance, or financial reward, you post a logical fallacy.

    Let’s hope you don’t slip and become a victim of your cult’s “honor killings.”

  12. Fadia Says:

    Shame on you Tanya Burr for making light of the terror we islamic women live under every second of every day.

  13. Habiba Says:

    Michelle, I am one of those cattle. I am one of those cattle. I was wed to a cousin when I was 16, he was 29. I have been raped repeatedly. I have 4 unwanted children by this monster.

    Tomorrow my sister will be wed to her cousin. She is 16, he is 38. Women under islam have no say in anything. The lie is we choose. Yes we choose just as freely as any slave does. We choose to live. Under what circumstance that will be is determined by our captors.

    Please don’t allow men or women claiming to be representing islamic women to persuade you from letting the world know what we sexual slaves of this cult experience every day, the fear of making a “religious” mistake that could cost us our lives.

    Thank you for your courage.

  14. Iamar Says:

    Michelle, death would be my sentence if I were discovered writing this. Tanya Burr is a devil. She knows that wearing that burkini would not be a choice, but something worn out of fear of retaliation by islamic practitioners.

  15. Humayda Says:

    If a man wants his female to wear a burkini, then he must wear one too. See how long that would last.

  16. Tarik Says:

    Michelle, you fucking infidel will pay for this blasphemy.

  17. Wazha Says:

    The arguments being made for allowing women to wear a burkini are being made from the premise that wearing one is the woman’s choice. Yeah, like wearing what your master tells under penalty of death is a choice.

    Comparing it to western women who dress similarly for religious reasons is farcical since they are part of a psychological cult set up by men to control their bodies.

    The deadly difference is while those women only risk punishment in the after life, islamic women risk punishment in their PRESENT lives.

    I guess it is too much to expect western men to see the difference. If I could kill my oppressors, I would. But if I am discovered having written this, my own mother would condone if not help in my honor killing.

    Thank you Michelle for being a voice.

  18. Imee Says:

    Zen Lill, I am a Filipina who practices islam, not by choice, but by birth. It is a cult that one cannot leave under penalty of death.

    Your statement, “What echoed in my brain is men, of all cultures, are still trying to control women.” echos in practically every islamic woman’s brain who has not been psyched into believing that disgusting shit.

  19. Aga Says:

    Zen Lill#4, nice argument if it were based on real choice. The point to be taken is that islamic women don’t have a choice.

    Michelle gets it. This is not about the threat of muslim men to western men. It is about MEN who happen to be islamic(regardless of their race) who use that fucking cult to FORCE women to wear what they(men, less you have forgotten who the offender is concerning this issue) want them to wear.

    Allowing women to wear a burquini, burkini, or whatever the fuck you wish to call it means allowing islamic men to force their females to suffer another demeaning moment while the western world looks on and says, “it’s their religious choice.”

    Drop your inane argument and walk in our shoes or burquini for a moment. You would not like to be on a beach in one, then don’t assume that we would.

  20. Canan Says:

    We islamic women for the most part wear what we wear our of fear or retaliation from those who would think that we are not following the Quran.

    Slaves that exist under the penalty of torture or death have no choice.

    Michelle, Social Butterfly, you seem to understand this. What the rest of the western world thinks is kendine hizmet eden köpek boku.

  21. Zen Lill Says:

    Imee, yes and just about every statement above about these religions makes me sad.

    Wearing this seems the only alternative if a Muslim woman wants to have a life that includes swimming or risk death. That’s disgusting in every level and I feel for all of you, having little choice about your lives and bodies with that threat of death lurking in the background should you suddenly take an action that not approved of …

    Western women risk nothing, our brainwashed (that have a choice to be brainwashed by religion for the most part, we’re not threatened with death by men or honor killed by our own mothers either) and yet look at how many women willingly turn over their lives to a ‘lord’ …

    The USA is certainly becoming an idiocracy (it already is if you look at the male wilingness to honor oil over women’s lives) …

    Luv, Zen Lill

  22. Ava Says:

    I am forced to practice islam here because I am afghani. It is definitely a cult run by men to control females. I love a white male who loves me. Yet, if I am seen with him again my mother and brothers threaten to kill me.

    Why if I live in America can this happen? It can because those of you who make insane arguments that islamic control of women is just a myth to attack the religion of islam.

    Even if I choose to run away with the person I love, I will have to give up all my relatives because I will not know who will set me up for my honor killing.

    I live in America. I was born in this country. Who will protect me? Why are these people allowed to tell me who I can love? There is no god, only men who claim to be god under one name or another.

    Allah, jesus, Ya Weh, etc. all men seeking to control women. So go ahead and have your arguments here.

    Michelle if I could be a GirlZ, I would be forever grateful. I have nothing to look forward to here on earth. “America my country tis of thee….,” yeah if you are a white male.

  23. Bituin Says:

    What islamic female who has not been indoctrinated would want to live under the thumb of a male less she be condemned to hell at the hands of men in the afterlife which she will be sent to swiftly at the hands of men in her present life?

  24. Liezel Says:

    Men will use whatever they have available to control women so they can go out and do what they want with other women while their females are tucked away safely at home.

    Religion, is the psychological key which locks that door. Islam is still in the phase which allows a man to legally use physical force to enforce its creeds.

    I suppose one of the reasons western men look the other way at this abomination and terror practiced towards women is they get to vicariously enjoy the time when their religion allowed them the same privilege.

  25. Delaram Says:

    Zen Lill#21, you have a great grasp of the issue because you have refused to be brainwashed by the men in your country.

  26. Tala Says:

    Tarik#16, Michelle, has nothing to fear from cowards like you. If you had the social skills to earn the attention of a woman you wouldn’t have to depend on that cult to force a woman to become your “wife,” sex slave.

    الحصول على الحياة التي قطعة قذرة من القرف الكلب

  27. Nenita Says:

    Zen Lill#6: “I comment on all religions the same bc they are started by men and perpetuate that, and that overall indoctrination runs deep, so much so that even secularist women will say but if he’s a ‘good man’ I’m ok with that …

    Hmm, I question anyone who infers I must behave how they want me to, to be deemed acceptable (under their terms) good man or not.”

    I sent this to many of my family and friends here in the Philippines. Many responded with a request for the rest of your article. Is it okay if I fix the parts doubled up before I send it?

  28. Ganya Says:

    Michelle, wonderful article, and that comment by Fatima is as true today as it was when she posted it. Islam is the same here in Russia. Men forcing women to be their sex slaves because their god says it is so.

    I wish I had come to this blog years ago. I only started two weeks ago. I promise to never miss. I will read you every day.

    I love you already and I wish your Madam Hilary all the luck for her Presidency. If only a woman could replace Putin. He is another little man, wanting to be Napoleon.

  29. Lois Says:

    Social Butterfly#3, you did not expect western men to support women from another culture when they hardly support the women in their own did you?

    They just wanted to make a token gesture. Then they sat back and allowed the Tanya Burrs’ to come in and rescue them.

    The Clarence Thomas’es of the world are always waiting in the wings to come out and support their oppressors. They do it as Cantara#11 says, for the “attention, acceptance, or financial reward.”

    Then, we have the Michelle’s, Zen Lill’s, and the Social Butterfly’s who champion the right of females to make their own choices.

    Be careful my Idols, you will have your detractors who will resort to any means to silence you.

    God bless you, and may She always protect you.

  30. Zen Lill Says:

    #27 Nenita (pretty name) please do fix the double up and send (apologies for that) the more women that understand their own inculcation/indoctrination from birth the faster changes can and will occur. Sharing notes from the soapbox is a good start, thank you for sharing it. Luv, Zen Lill

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