What do women really want?
Posted by michellemoquin on August 27th, 2008
Good Morning!
The question?….‘What do women really want?’ Such a question would perplex even the most knowledgeable man, and to young Arthur, it seemed an impossible query. But, since it was better than death, he accepted the monarch’s proposition to have an answer by year’s end.
He returned to his kingdom and began to poll everyone: the princess, the priests, the wise men and even the court jester. He spoke with everyone, but no one could give him a satisfactory answer.
Many people advised him to consult the old witch, for only she would have the answer. But the price would be high; as the witch was famous throughout the kingdom for the exorbitant prices she charged.
The last day of the year arrived and Arthur had no choice but to talk to the witch. She agreed to answer the question, but he would have to agree to her price first. The old witch wanted to marry Sir Lancelot, the most noble of the Knights of the Round Table and Arthur’s closest friend!
Young Arthur was horrified. She was hunchbacked and hideous, had only one tooth, smelled like sewage, made obscene noises, etc. He had never encountered such a repugnant creature in all his life. He refused to force his friend to marry her and endure such a terrible burden; but Lancelot, learning of the proposal, spoke with Arthur. He said nothing was too big of a sacrifice compared to Arthur’s life and the preservation of the Round Table.
Hence, a wedding was proclaimed and the witch answered Arthur’s question thus: ‘What a woman really wants’, she answered….’is to be in charge of her own life.’
Everyone in the kingdom instantly knew that the witch had uttered a great truth and that Arthur’s life would be spared. And so it was, the neighbouring monarch granted Arthur his freedom and Lancelot and the witch had a wonderful wedding.
The honeymoon hour approached and Lancelot, steeling himself for a horrific experience, entered the bedroom. But, what a sight awaited him. The most beautiful woman he had ever seen lay before him on the bed. The astounded Lancelot asked what had happened
The beauty replied that since he had been so kind to her when she appeared as a witch, she would henceforth, be her horrible deformed self only half the time and the beautiful mai den the other half.
Which would he prefer? Beautiful during the day….or night?
Lancelot pondered the predicament. During the day, a beautiful woman to show off to his friends, but at night, in the privacy of his castle, an old witch? Or, would he prefer having a hideous witch during the day, but by night, a beautiful woman for him to enjoy wondrous intimate moments?
Noble Lancelot said that he would allow HER to make the choice herself.
(Oh I’m diggin’ Lancelot big time!)
Upon hearing this, she announced that she would be beautiful all the time because he had respected her enough to let her be in charge of her own life.
Now ..what is the moral to this story?
The moral is…..
‘If you don’t let a woman have her own way…. Things are going to get ugly.’
Okay, so we can all have a good laugh but seriously look at that statement: ‘What a woman really wants is to be in charge of her own life.’ It’s true. I want to be able to make my own decisions in regards to my lifestyle, my finances, my body, my thoughts, my what ever. AND…I want to be supported in my decisions. Simple, yes?
Hey ZL: As you said yesterday, I said it above and I will say it here: There are decent men out there. I’m married to one. But….here comes the but….why aren’t the decent men doing something about the atrocities that are happening to many women? I know I didn’t want to get heavy today, but when men are so disrespectful and downright nasty to their women in any culture, where are the decent men backing these women? In war time, men will do anything to save their fellow comrades…but where is their presence, their courage, during the war on women?
You know what I would love to see? I would love to see a man in any culture start an organization for women, run mostly by men who want a better world for women…maybe women are on the board giving direction but the men are the ones doing all of the leg work, fighting for those that they love. How admirable. Maybe it would be called, ‘Men for Women’ or ‘Men In Support of Women’- How cool would that be?
Hello Fatemah: My Pleasure :) So…what are your feelings on this? You say that ‘men are socialized to believe that is is their right as men’. And yes, western men like to play that game too. Why aren’t the decent Muslim men putting their foot down and standing up for these women that they love? Why aren’t they teaching their sons, the new generations, how to respect, love, and appreciate women? To honor their choices and desires? Maybe they are and I just don’t know it. Are they?
Maybe if the decent ones were doing something to counter these atrocities, clearing up the ‘bad rap’ that their bad brothers depict, they would get some air time in the media. Are these decent Muslim men really treating their women decently, or are they just seen as acting decent because they don’t commit the atrocities that the perpetrators do? Is there some truth to this? Are Muslim women really getting what they want out of life? Are needs different between the many cultures? I know the challenges are.
Ugh…The article from Sepia Mutiny just drives me crazy. Why is it that a son can dishonor the family but the wife of the son gets killed?! Is there no accountability here or is it always the woman at fault? This Izzat is a bunch of crap.
Fatemah, you and your ‘triple threat’ sisters do have a hard line to walk. Excellent article – Honest and revealing. My utmost admiration goes out to you. Thanks so much for visiting and joining in on this important hot topic, and for including some suggested reads. I too am hungry to learn more and understand, and you have been really helpful to me and obviously my readers.
Readers: Did you read Fatemah’s article? A very articulate and enlightening read. Don’t be shy – give us your two.
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-Hillary Clinton/DNC 2008
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August 27th, 2008 at 7:22 am
Hi Mischa,
Cheers to this, I am not a male basher, quite the opposite, good q though, I know I would be an advocate for men if the tables were turned so where are the good decent men (Lancelot’s) in the women’s plight fight?!
Up early have to go out today, see my site for where and pray for me ; ) http://www.lilliandevin.com/ but it is Wednesday, and a day to revere that male/female thang ; ) ‘The fine art of the hump day session’
Fatimeh, thank you for your comment I will get back to the subject, it just gets to me having that helpless feeling, and I will elaborate on the sites you left. Just approved your comment. I did read all the links, it was most interesting…
Hoping to remain Zen : ) – Zen Lill
August 27th, 2008 at 9:53 am
Take a Nap
Sara C. Mednick, PhD
University of California at San Diego
If you feel drowsy in the middle of the afternoon, you don’t need a cup of coffee — you need a nap. Even if you regularly get eight hours of sleep at night, studies show that a little well-timed shut-eye during the day increases alertness and reduces stress. It can improve physical stamina — Lance Armstrong is a napper — and enhance creativity. Thomas Edison replenished his batteries with a nap. Napping can make you happier. It increases levels of serotonin, the neurotransmitter that helps elevate your mood.
Naps can even make you look younger by giving skin cells and other tissues more opportunity to rejuvenate themselves. And oh, yes, napping can improve your sex life. Sexual desire usually wanes when you’re tired — a nap revitalizes you. A recent study of more than 23,000 Greek men and women suggests that naps also may help reduce the risk of heart disease. Napping properly won’t interfere with nighttime sleep. Here’s how…
HOW LONG?
A nap can be anything from a five-minute snooze — the shortest period for which there is scientific evidence of benefits — to 90 minutes, the time it takes to go through a five-stage sleep cycle. At night when we’re asleep, we complete several sets of the cycle. A good nap should last about 20 minutes — that’s long enough to invigorate you but unlikely to take you into deep sleep, from which you are likely to wake up groggy. (If you wake up from a nap feeling sluggish, splash cold water on your face or do a few stretches. Or perhaps this is the time for that reviving cup of java.)
WHEN?
Beginners should try to establish a specific nap time so that their bodies get used to being allowed to shut down during the day. The best time for most people is between 1 pm and 3 pm. We are biologically programmed to rest when the sun is at its highest. Also, our biological rhythms — which wake us in the morning and help us get to sleep at night — waver at this time. Our body temperature decreases, as does our activity level and our ability to think clearly. If you can’t always find time to sleep during the day — a situation many of us face — try a 20-minute nap when you first get home in the evening so that you’ll have more energy to start dinner, help the kids with their homework or carry out other family obligations. Be sure to wake from your nap more than three hours before you plan to go to bed at night so your nap won’t disturb your nighttime sleep. Those who can’t find time to nap on weekdays can luxuriate in 90-minute naps on Saturday or Sunday, or both. But don’t count on weekend sleep to make up for all the sleep you missed out on during the week.
WHERE?
If you are retired or work from home, head to your bedroom to nap. If you work a nine-to-five job and have your own office, nap there if your workplace culture permits it. Some workers nap in their cars during lunchtime. Many bus drivers nap between runs on the bench seats at the backs of their buses.
Wherever you decide to nap, make sure you are safe and unlikely to be disturbed. Turn off the ping for incoming E-mail messages and silence your phone’s ringer. Make yourself comfortable. Lying down is best. A bed, couch or even the floor on top of a yoga or Pilates mat will do. If you must nap sitting in a chair, use a travel pillow that supports your neck. If you are sitting at a desk, try resting your head on it.
Turn off the light if possible. If not, wear a sleep mask. Darkness is important because it stimulates the secretion of melatonin, a hormone that helps us get to sleep. Use earplugs if you are sleeping in a noisy area or if you are easily disturbed by sound. While sleeping, your body is less efficient in regulating its temperature. Covering yourself with a light blanket will help. If you have an appointment, set a timer so that you can be sure you won’t miss it.
BETTER NAPPING
Don’t lose heart if at first you have trouble drifting off during the day. It may take a few weeks for you to get into the habit. Although our biological clocks prime us to take naps, our go-go-go society has conditioned us against giving in to the urge.
Begin by committing to only five or 10 minutes a day, even if you don’t feel sleepy. Just lie down at the same time of the day, breathe deeply and close your eyes.
Stay away from nap blockers…
Smoking. If you smoke, don’t take a puff within one hour of trying to get to sleep. Nicotine is a stimulant, as are products that help with nicotine withdrawal.
Over-the-counter and prescription drugs, including antidepressants, interfere with the natural sleep rhythm. That interference is likely to either make it more difficult for you to take a nap or make that nap less refreshing. If you have to take a prescription drug, try taking it after your nap if your doctor says it’s ok.
Coffee. Avoid drinking coffee within the four to six hours before your nap time and bedtime. And beware of other sources of caffeine, such as tea, chocolate, energy drinks and most sodas.
Alcohol. Though this may help some people fall asleep, it turns into a stimulant while you are sleeping. You wake up before your body is fully rested.
Foods high in saturated fat can cause indigestion that can interfere with napping.
Enjoy a tryptophan snack. It’s best to have a light snack about 30 minutes before your nap. Turkey, cheese and nuts contain tryptophan, an amino acid that makes sleep easier. Other dairy products also can be sleep aids. Their calcium helps create melatonin.
Seafood, whole grains, beans, eggs, certain soy products (such as tofu, soy milk and soy nuts) and lean meats also help lull you to sleep.
August 27th, 2008 at 11:01 am
Thanks, Michelle.
And by the way, it’s Fatemeh, not Fatemah.
“Why aren’t the decent Muslim men putting their foot down and standing up for these women that they love?” Are Western men doing that? There are men in every country and culture who have respect for women. It depends on what you mean by “standing up” for women; some men teach their children that violence is wrong. Some men make governmental policies. Some men work in NGOs.
I think my biggest problem with creating a dichotomy between Muslims and non-Muslims is that everyone assumes that the Muslim world is a monolith: there are Muslims in every country in the world. I can’t speak for all of them. We all practice differently, believe differently, and live our lives differently.
Another issue I have with this dichotomy is the finger-pointing oppression game. Western feminists look at Muslim women in West Asia, for example, and say, “Oh, they are SO much more oppressed than we!” This really irritates me because it not only puts Western feminists in a position of superiority, but because it ignores the fact that, as women, WE ARE ALL OPPRESSED in some form or another.
August 27th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Fatemeh:
I am one of those educated Muslim, Middle Eastern women that you have decided to be a voice for. Most of us despise what you do. We know you for who you are. You represent the educated women who lie to the rest of the world about what is happening to the women of the Middle East.
First let me address your premise that this happens to women in other places in the world. SO WHAT! That does not excuse what is happening to us here in the Middle East.
You say in your article which is just an apologetic collection of nonsense to excuse the behavior of disgusting muslin men. And yes I deliberate spelt it with a small m. Our men are pathetic. You know it but you try to excuse it with facades to confuse the outside world about what is happening to us, Muslim women. We are being terrorized by ignorant men who whine about how the rest of the world treats them while they use government sponsored power and laws and that cult, islam, that you are defending as a religion, to enslave, pimp, rape, and torture female Muslim female women and children at will.
You know that this is true. Yet, you are so terrified of them that you are willing to write those articles with half truths to justify the terror we live under. Fatemeh, get out to this business of being an apologist for these evil men. They are a pathetic bunch of selfish brutes.
Is it any wonder that the Arab persona is held in such low esteem by the rest of the civilized world that has granted equality to the other half of their population? Allah has cast a dim light on these evil men. Until they grant equality to ALL the women who live side by side with them in our respective countries, I hope they never get the respect of the out side world. Allah is Great and He knows that I am righteous in my condemnation of these beasts.
Zen Lill
You have been very polite to Fatemeh. But I hope you pay very little attention to her contrived diatribe to excuse the behavior of these muslim males that brutalize their females because they have set up the government to allow them to do it. They have devised a cult called Islam to justify to the outside world the daily terror they force more that one half of the Muslim world to live under.
There is no way Fatemeh can lie her way out of the fact that we Muslim women are nothing more that property to muslim men. There is no way she can say Islam is not the vehicle these men use to say to the outside world that Islam protects its women. Islam protects its women the way a cowhand protects the cattle that he herds.
Fatemeh’s articles are mostly about confusing the simple fact that muslim men use their cult religion to terror what should be an equally empowered female population. She mixes in truths and half truths like racism, islamophobia, misogyny, and anything else she can throw in to obscure the real one and only issue that we Muslim women need help from the outside world to break . That is the total control over our lives that these disgusting animals have given themselves over us via the cult religion called islam.
The world should know that most educated Muslim women hate and despise islam. We are forced to defend it under penalty of death. That should tell anyone of minimal intelligence that islam is a cult. It needs death penalties to keep its members. Of course the men are willing to die for a cult that gives them total control over their females. They get to barter us, have their way with us sexually, beat us, and generally terrorize us at will.
Fatemeh would call it “domestic violence” akin to what happens in a society where women are protected as equals by government law. Fatemeh it is NOT “domestic violence” when the violence is dictated, allowed, winked at, and encouraged by GOVERNMENT law and that cult islam, and the victims have no venue to take their complaint to. Under islam they cannot even pray to Allah for help.
Fatemeh, You had better believe that Muslim women pray to Allah several times a day for the destruction of the environment that allows these beasts to terrorize us.
Fatemeh you throw in “racism” as a red herring to lessen the focus on the power these brutes have over us. Every one has to deal with racism at one time or another. Why would you even think that racism would be a major issue to Muslim women who are terrorized by every male member of her family on a daily basis. Why do we have to be concerned by racism when we have daily fear of harm to our person by government sponsored misogyny.
Understand the difference in the Muslim world misogyny is GOVERNMENT sponsored and justified to the world by islam. These men of little accomplishment defend islam not because they are religious they defend it because it allows them to continue their pedophilia under the guise of a religious principal.
Fatemeh unless you are one of those Muslim women that the men deliberately keep ignorant and force feed them their islamic cult lies, how can you say that you believe that a muslim should have the right to decide for a woman what is good for her? Allah loves all his children equally. He would never allow a one half of his children to have control over the other half. A cleverly devised cult would, but not a true religion respecting the wishes of Allah. Islam as Muslim women have experienced it does not deserve defending. It should be destroyed along with the government that use it to terrorize their women.
Most Muslim women secretly hope that the outside world will destroy this curse that hangs over our heads. Government sponsored women like you are paid to disseminate your propaganda that claims to have Muslim women’s interest at heart, but really is a thinly disguised attempt to justify islam.
Muslim women want liberation from this cult. Our message to the world is interfere at every opportunity. We can not end this by ourselves. Pay no attention to women like Fatemeh who lie either because they fear for their own lives or their families.
If television could interview American slaves of the south during the height of slavery, the interview would not be much different from what you read in Fatemeh and her cohorts writings. They would be lauding the virtues of slavery and demanding the outsiders “who think they know what’s best for us” stay out of the slavery communities.
Evil does not wish to be confronted. It flourishes in secrecy. Thank you Michelle for bringing the plight of the Muslim female into the open. The Fatemeh’s of the world are forced to do what they do by the perpetrators of evil to justify what they are doing. Do not hate her, she is the postal model of why we DO NEED non-Muslim communities to help us.
Sar-e Pol
August 27th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Sar-ePol
Thank you for speaking so eloquently for those of us who cannot. Fatemeh, if you could be as concerned about the plight of your Muslim sisters as you are about the spelling of your name, your articles would have more meaning.
I say to the outside non-muslim communities, please continue to help. As Sar-ePol pointed out Fatemeh is a prime example why we need your interference. The men force women like Fatemeh to defend the cruelty she has to suffer at their hands.
Ghanzi
August 27th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Thank you Sar-ePol
I am sick of arab men and now women saying that “other” should stay out of Muslim business. There is no Muslim that women have a real say in. Islam is about what men want. I never new what it was. Thank you Sar-ePol for defining it for me. islam is a cult! I for one would leave it if I were not afraid that my family would kill me.
Chaghcharan
August 27th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Sar-ePol
You are wonderful! My brothers do whatever they want. islam has no meaning to them when it comes to satisfying their lust. But I am constantly reminded that if I insult their honor that they will kill me.
How Fatemeh can justify this as “domestic violence” is beyond reason. I have read many of her articles. I know that she is very afraid for her own safety because she does not appear to be stupid. There is no other explanation for her ludicrous arguments.
Michelle, if we Muslim women did not fear the anger of our boys who have yet to grow up to be men we would be leaving islam in droves. It is, thank you for naming it Sar-ePol, a cult devised by feeble minded boys to enable them to control the sexual organs of their females.
Kholm
August 27th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Thank you Sar-ePol.
Allah will bless you.
Baraki
August 27th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Many thanks Sar-ePol
Allah is Great! But islam is a cult.
Farah
August 27th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Michelle, I want to offer my apologies. Your thread has been taken over by someone who I suspect has come after me in the past.
I believe that God’s word has been polluted and twisted by men in order to maintain control over women and children. The Taleban is not Islam.
I object to western feminism that construes all Muslim women as pitiful and pathetic and seeks to “save” us as if we’re helpless puppies. Sisters are doin’ it for themselves, thank you. RAWA, for example.
Do you think that Western women’s help will improve things in conservative societies like Iran and Saudi Arabia? It won’t. They’ll accuse outside agencies of spying or corruption, and they’ll look upon the change they bring as “Westoxication” rather than improvement. This happens in Iran all the time.
Change must come from within. We need more female scholars, more female interpretations, and more people to stand up and say, “The Qur’an doesn’t allow you to do this.”
This is the last time I’m posting on this site; I know who you are and that dialogue with you is not an option. I don’t want to argue with you because I think that both of us have bigger fish to fry.
August 27th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Fatemeh has never claimed to speak for all women. However, Sar-epol, you claim to speak for all Muslim women with idiotic claims such as “Most Muslim women secretly hope that the outside world will destroy this curse that hangs over our heads” “Muslim women want liberation from this cult” and the biggest piece of BS of all “The world should know that most educated Muslim women hate and despise islam”
As a Muslim woman I would kindly ask you to stop speaking for educated Muslim women. Or any Muslim women. I would wager that any Muslim woman who reads what you, or your alter egos, have written here they would be infuriated at your self-righteousness and extremism. You seem just as bad as the men you so hate.
There are so many voices of Muslim women from the Middle East and the rest of the Muslim world who are very proud to be Muslim. In fact, they would be in the majority.
As a Muslim woman I will tell you that I am EXTREMELY proud to be Muslim. And I love my Muslim men. My father, my brother, my uncles, my cousins, my nephews, my friends, all of them. They are wonderful human beings who have treated me with nothing but respect, love, and equality.
Please apg stop speaking for us. Your voice is definitely in the minority and because of your intense hate and filth you spew you damage the cause of the Muslim women who are suffering. Instead of encouraging Muslims to help Muslim women you turn them away. You are no different than the Muslim extremists who push people away from Islam. I guess extremists of all types are the same deep down.
August 28th, 2008 at 4:23 am
Sobia
Speak for yourself. I think that Sar-ePol speaks the truth. your men may be kind to you, So are mine but that is their choice. The law of this land and islam gives them the right to do otherwise as they choose. Is that something that you do not understand?
I am an educated Muslim woman that believes that she has the god given right to be equal to any man. You obviously feel other wise. So do some western women. You have found your sisterhood there. We Muslim women who believe that we have Allah’s blessing to be EQUAL to any man do not need western women to tell us that. We tell ourselves that in private every day. We have to tell ourselves IN PRIVATE or we will be beat or killed.
Why do you lie to the world? You know this to be true. Sar-ePol has risked her life to speak up while the likes of you creep in the shadows of their “good men” so as not to offend them.
Your “good men” will never give you or any woman the right to be their equal. How much does it take to be “wonderful” while shirking their responsibility to Allah to give ALL his children, female and male the same rights. I, for one do not need to “be protected” by islam. That is a lame male’s excuse to dominate women.
You have every right to be “extremely proud to be a Muslim.” We have every right to hate being forced to be a Muslim. How many women do you think would leave this cult devised by men to control us if we did not fear death for doing so. Do you honestly believe that a true religion would punish with death those that found another way to worship Allah?
Why are you so angry to have other Muslim women express our despair? Believe it or not we have not all been brainwashed by our oppressors. Please Sar-ePol continue to speak for those of us who would be beat, shot, or tortured to death for having the courage to speak up against these evil men.
Aybak(not my real name, less my lovable family find out and beat me to death in the name or that foul men’s cult islam)
August 28th, 2008 at 5:15 am
Sar-ePol
You have given me the courage to speak up. Thank you Michelle for giving us the forum to air our grief and shame. I have read Faitma and Fatemeh. They write under the threat of “dishonoring” their male relatives and the fear of being the latest “honor” killing every time they put pen to paper. They can not deny this.
So Fatemeh you say you fear that those that do not share your view point are personally coming after you. Your ego is much too big. We are Muslim women using this forum to air our differences with the muslim men’s standard spiel about their islam.
I too agree with Sar-ePol that muslim men deserve the small m when referred to to match their character. I also agree that men of the world, western or not should not give these boys of arrested development any consideration until they give their women some. Why should we have to wait until they get respect, or statehood, or any thing else? We have needs just as important as any man. If their needs are satisfied, we will still be their slaves while they enjoy their fruits.
Why should we be made to feel disloyal because we want equality?
Fatemeh get over yourself. This is not about you. You are correct that God’s word has been polluted and twisted by men in order to maintain control over women and children. But you are incorrect to attribute this only to the Taliban.
I don’t live where the Taliban has any influence. I live in Saudi Arabia. A land where I can be beaten or killed for driving a car. Fatemeh in Saudi Arabia women have less rights than a puppy. We are but instruments of men’s pleasure. When I am allowed to go to western countries my “loving” male relatives allow me to drive. I am a 24 year old woman. Why do you think that I need a man to tell me when I can drive a car?
We do need help to break this strangle hold these things you want to call men have over us. They will never give up the right to have control over our sexual organs. AS long as oil is so desperately needed by the west. The west will never help us.
If our small minded boys who want to be men feel that by being told that it is wrong to enslave one half of their population is “westoxication.” Then I say to h**l with them. Fatemeh your definition of “conservative” is akin to the west’s definition of conservative.
In the west to be conservative means white men feel that they have the right to be better than their women and any person of color, and they have the right to force their religious beliefs on others.
In the Middle East to be conservative means muslim men feel that they have the right to be better than their women, any non-muslim, and they have the right to force their religious belief on others.
It appears that they have already bought into “Westoxication.” I suppose it is okay as long as it agrees with their aims. But God forbid that it should not.
I quote you. “Change must come from within. We need more female scholars, more female interpretations, and more people to stand up and say, “The Qur’an doesn’t allow you to do this.”
Well we are doing just that here on this forum. We are saying the Qur’an does not allow women to become equal to men. It is a useless cult book of propaganda written by men to control women for their sexual pleasure.
Fatemeh, I do not wish to quarrel with you either. Our struggle is not with you. We understand that you are doing the best you can under the tyranny of islam. We gratefully accept all you are doing for us. But we believe that we need outside help also.
In the western world the great United States of America would not have given up the control they had over their people of color without outside pressure. The white men there were forced to give their people of color equality because of world pressure.
We need the same kind of world pressure to gain our freedom. I for one do not care that these beasts who call themselves muslim men get their egos bruised in the process. Yes, we do have bigger fish to fry. Let’s agree to fire our pots with different forms of energy and still be sisters.
Shir Khan