Part 2: The Father’s Letter
Posted by Michelle Moquin on June 16th, 2016
Good morning.
Because of this letter from the rapist’s father, the rapist, a white boy, only got 6 months in a jail and a 3 year probation. As many of you stated, I will reiterate, “This would never be the case for an OTW.”
Full Letter to the Judge by Dan Turner, Brock’s The rapist’s Father
Honorable Judge Aaron Persky,
I am writing this letter to tell you about my son Brock and the person that I know he is. First of all, let me say that Brock is absolutely devastated by the events of January 17th and 18th 2015. He would do anything to turn back the hands of time and have that night to do over again. In many one-on-one conversations with Brock since that day, I can tell you that he is truly sorry for what occurred that night and for all the pain and suffering that it has caused for all of those involved and impacted by that night. He has expressed true remorse for his actions on that night. Living under that same roof with Brock since this incident, I can tell you firsthand the devastating impact that it has had on my son. Before I elaborate more, I would like to share some memories of my son that demonstrate the quality of his character.
Brock has an easygoing personality that endears him to almost everyone he meets. He has always been a person that people like to be around whether they are male or female. This has been true from the time Brock was in pre-school to today. I have never seen Brock raise his voice to anyone and he doesn’t pre-judge anyone. He accepts them for who they are no more, no less. He has a very gentle and quiet nature and a smile that is truly welcoming to those around him. I have never once heard him brag or boast about any accomplishment that he has ever achieved. He is simply a very humble person who would rather hear about someone else’s accomplishments rather than talk about his own. Brock has an inner strength and fortitude that is beyond anything I have ever seen. This was no doubt honed over many years of competitive swimming and has been a major reason for his ability to cope over the last 15 months.
Brock has always been an extremely dedicated person whether it was academics, Sports, or developing and maintaining friendships and relationships. Brock’s dedication to academics started early in grade school. My fondest memory is of helping Brock prepare for his weekly Spelling test. Doing well on these tests was very important to Brock and he would start preparing the day before by memorizing the words and making sure he had everything together in his mind. I would have to quiz him over and over just so he was sure he would do well on the test. He would make me give him a final preparation quiz as we drove to school on Friday mornings. I can assure you that Brock always did well on these exams. While this example may seem trivial, it was an early indicator of the importance he placed on academic achievement that never left him. As he got older and progressed in school, he needed my intervention less and less as he is gifted in his ability to understand very complicated subject matter. This natural ability along with an extremely strong work ethic lead to academic success at all levels.
Brock was equally talented in athletics participating in baseball, basketball, and swimming. I was his baseball and basketball coach and his Cub Scout den leader for many years during his grade school years. I was so proud to participate and serve as his coach and leader as it meant that I got to spend more time with him. I was also a parent chaperone for many school outings and often times was the only dad along on these field trips. For me, I loved every minute of it because Brock was a pleasure to be around and he always treated the other kids, parents, and teachers with-respect. I will cherish the memories of those years forever.
In the late summer before Brock’s senior year in high school, he applied to Stanford with the dream of taking both his academic and athletic talents to the next level. Brock had a large amount of interest from many Division-1 coaches due to his swimming success and outstanding grades in school. Many college coaches pursued Brock based on the entire body of work that he represented. However, Stanford was always the apple of his and the ultimate prize for someone who had worked so hard for so long. Brock and first visited Stanford in the summer of 2011 between his freshman and sophomore years in high school. Brock was there to compete in his first national level swim meet called the USA Junior Nationals. We were both totally in awe of the campus, the swimming facilities, and the rich history that the university represented. I remember commenting to Brock at the time that wouldn’t this be a great place to go to school. it was swimmers that had attended Stanford. This first exposure to Stanford made a lasting impression on Brock. Our family was full of pride and joy when we found out in the fall of 2013 that Brock had been accepted to Stanford. This was a culminating event for Brock as we knew how much work he had put in to get to that’ point. The thing that made Us most proud .was the fact that Brock had to be accepted academically before he could be considered for an athletic scholarship. This was especially significant given Stanford’s 4% acceptance rate for that particular year. Brock was awarded a 60% swimming scholarship by the university. Even with such a generous offer, my wife and I both knew it would be a financial struggle for our family for Brock to attend Stanford, but we were determined to make it work because we knew the value of a Stanford education. As Brock’s senior year passed, he was characteristically humble about being admitted to Stanford and continued to work hard until the very last minute of high school on academics and swimming.
When Carleen and I took Brock to Stanford in September 2014 to begin his freshman year, we both felt he was totally prepared for the experience. He had been to many national level swim camps and meets and was comfortable being away from home. We were very excited for Brock as he settled into Stanford during that first quarter as a brand new student athlete. He excelled in school that quarter earning the top GPA for all freshmen on the swim team. What we didn’t realize was the extent to which Brock was struggling being so far from home. Brock was working hard to adapt to the rigors of both school and swimming. When Brock was home during Christmas break, he broke down and told us how much he was struggling to fit in socially and the fact that he did not like being so far from home. Brock was nearly-distraught knowing that he had to return early from Christmas break for swimming training camp. We even questioned whether it was the right move to send him back to Stanford for the winter quarter. In hindsight, it’s clear that Brock was desperately trying to fit in at Stanford and fell into the culture of alcohol consumption and partying. This culture was modeled by many of the upperclassmen on the swim team and played a role in the events of Jan 17th and 18th 2015. Looking back at Brock’s brief experience at Stanford, I honestly don’t believe it was the best fit for him. He was ready academically and athletically, but it was simply too far from home for someone who was born and raised in the Midwest. He needed the support structure of being closer to family and friends.
As it stands now, Brock’s life has been deeply altered forever by the events of Jan 17th and 18th. He will never be his happy go lucky self with that easy going personality and welcoming smile. His every waking minute is consumed with worry, anxiety, fear, and depression. You can see this in his face, the way he walks, his weakened voice, his lack of appetite. Brock always enjoyed certain types of food and is a very good cook himself. I was always excited to buy him a big ribeye steak to grill or to get his favorite snack for him. I had to make sure to hide some of my favorite pretzels or chips because I knew they wouldn’t be around long after Brock walked in from a long swim practice. Now he barely consumes any food and eats only to exist. These verdicts have broken and shattered him and our family in so many ways. His life will never be the one that he dreamed about and worked so hard to achieve. That is a steep price to pay for 20 minutes of action out of his 20 plus years of life. The fact that he now has to register as a sexual offender for the rest of his life forever alters where he can live, visit, work, and how he will be able to interact with people and organizations. What I know as his father is that incarceration is not the appropriate punishment for Brock. He has no prior criminal history and has never been violent to anyone including his actions on the night of Jan 17th 2015. Brock can do so many positive things as a contributor to society and is totally committed to educating other college age students about the dangers of alcohol consumption and sexual promiscuity. By having people like Brock educate others on college campuses is how society can begin to break the cycle of binge drinking and its unfortunate results. Probation is the best answer for Brock in this situation and allows him to give back to society in a net positive way.
Very Respectfully,
Dan A. Turner
******
Readers: Speak your mind as you always do.
Blog me.
Mike, TM: Thanks for putting so much effort to post that write regarding white power pumping up their numbers when it comes to the white vote, on the blog. I read it and am HOPEing that everyone else did too. If you happen to read more of those false claims, please post it here. Thanks.
Social Butterfly: Those are sick and scary stats.
Janet: That is exactly what we need to do. November will be upon us soon, and that will be our chance.
Alfonso: Yes, she should be. However “country first” doesn’t apply here. If it did, we wouldn’t be having Trump trail this close behind. No logical and sane white woman would vote for him. As we used to say here, “White women will go kicking and screaming to their freedom.” And many men would rather see this country go to shit in the proverbial hand-basket, than see a woman become president.
Ivan: Your comment made me laugh because you said the obvious with such simple words. Where are you from?
Doris: Don’t lose faith. Things will change with Hillary as long as we make sure that she has long coattails. And it’s up to us on election day to give them to her. In order to do that we need to do as Lydia says and vote out the republicans who are in support of the NRA, the sales of automatic rifles, etc., etc., etc.
Julie: I read that update too. And you’re right, it doesn’t change it much.
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June 16th, 2016 at 10:55 am
Michelle, thank you for asking. I live in Kiev. It is the capital of the Ukraine. Most of us hope that America will not elect Mr. Donald Trump.
We feel that if the United States is going to continue to be able to the example for the rest of the world on how to act, your country needs to elect anyone but Mr. Trump.
June 16th, 2016 at 11:14 am
Wow, the judge felt bad for the Stanford rapist. According to the judge, a longer sentence would have a “severe impact” on Turner.
As if being raped doesn’t have a severe impact on victims. As if convicted rapists’ feelings should be spared during the sentencing process.
June 16th, 2016 at 11:26 am
The father showed no concern for the raped. His only concern was for the feelings of his rapist son.
June 16th, 2016 at 11:28 am
Someone needs to tell that father that his son brought his plight upon himself. The victim played no part in him raping her while she was unconscious.
June 16th, 2016 at 11:31 am
Dude, you son lost the life he once dreamed because he raped an unconscious woman.
June 16th, 2016 at 12:33 pm
The guy raised a selfish son because he is a selfish person. Whatever position his son is in is because of his actions. In 20 minutes he could have murdered dozens with assault rifle.
The fact is he used his 20 minutes to destroy the life of someone who had no choice.
June 16th, 2016 at 12:34 pm
Brock is a rapist, and Dan is an accessory to rape. He clearly gave his son the “tools” he feels he needs to get away with it. Throw them both in jail, along with the crooked judge.
June 16th, 2016 at 12:36 pm
This creep gives not a thought for the humanity of his son’s victim.
“These verdicts have broken and shattered him…”
If it’s just the verdicts, then he’s not broken and shattered enough yet. Maybe someday he’ll mature more than his father did, and come to understand what he did to another person.
Having him give some sort of disingenuous anti-booze tour isn’t going to do the job. What’s he going to say, “don’t drink too much, you might end up totally not raping someone, like I didn’t?”
Six months in jail, hearing from his new peers how his crime is viewed by others, might actually help him get some perspective.
June 16th, 2016 at 12:37 pm
Where is the mom in all this?
Does she condone the contents of the father’s letter? If so, and she is still married to him…..WHY?
June 16th, 2016 at 12:37 pm
His son is sorry only that he got caught and convicted.
June 16th, 2016 at 12:38 pm
Lawyers here, let me ask you something. Does it matter how long a murder takes for the murderer to be convicted? Should it matter if someone murders someone else in under 20 minutes? The time limit thing seems really weird to me. “It was only twenty minutes.” So fucking what? With a gun, people have been murdered or crippled for life in under a minute. Would you really argue that murderers should be let off because “hey, it was only one minute out of an otherwise exemplary life”?
Good Gods, some people don’t deserve planetary resources.
June 16th, 2016 at 12:43 pm
Grace#8, The reason they are focused only on the “binge drinking” and it’s consequences, ie promiscuity, is because they are among the many people who think that it’s not rape if the woman doesn’t scream no and fight back.
They also think it is really no big deal to shove something in a woman’s vagina (these are the same folks who think mandating a vaginal ultrasound prior to getting an abortion is A okay). That’s made evident by the “not violent” line. I bet her being unconscious elicited a “hell, she doesn’t even remember it so what’s the problem” from this guy.
Normal, empathetic people understand that a person drunk enough to fall down, let alone become unconscious, can’t consent to anything; therefore, you shouldn’t do anything to them except help them get home safely.
These people will be the first ones to abdicate their own responsibility for their actions based on being impaired from alcohol ingestion, but other people, especially drunk women they want to have sex with, are still to blame for whatever happens to them when they are impaired and more vulnerable from consuming alcohol.
Put those two together and you get, she was drunk and that’s why she passed out after flirting with me and getting me all excited, then I helped myself because I was intoxicated and couldn’t remember that’s wrong to do when the girl can’t say yea or nay! Jail time? What for, we were both drunk and mistakes were made, no need for jail!
That’s why he isn’t sorry he violated her, that’s why his father “knows” jail “isn’t the answer” for Brock That’s why they can sit there and think him being found guilty is wrong and he is the victim instead of the woman he raped.
No crime was committed in their eyes, and if there was one, it sure as hell wasn’t serious. Because SHE was irresponsible and poor Brock was too impaired to avoid getting tangled up in the fallout caused by her bad behavior.
Thus the promiscuity part, that’s throwing the blame on her, not simply claiming it was consensual sex, which is far worse. There is no hope for the father, had this happened to his own daughter he’d likely blame her.
The son might have learned his view is wrong had he been properly punished. The judge giving him such a light sentence supports his belief that he didn’t do much wrong besides get drunk, despite the guilty verdicts, unfortunately.
What is the longest sentence he could have gotten for underage drinking? I bet it was more than six months in jail. That judge is just as bad as Brock, the rapist, and his father, the man who thinks unconscious women who get raped are being promiscuous.
June 16th, 2016 at 12:44 pm
His son is sorry only that he got caught and convicted.
June 16th, 2016 at 12:45 pm
Izabel#13, You’re absolutely right! If he didn’t get caught… how many more girls would he rape when they’re drunk??? The dad is as sick as his son !!
June 16th, 2016 at 12:46 pm
Damn, to claim that rape is not a violent crime? What BS.
June 16th, 2016 at 12:47 pm
Some how prior criminal history doesn’t really matter if you are poor, or a person of color.
Did you read the full 7000 word statment from the victim?
Please do so, it you havent done so already.
June 16th, 2016 at 12:48 pm
How many did he rape before? Everyone is assuming this is his first crime. What if it wasn’t?
June 16th, 2016 at 12:50 pm
Xena#17, It usually isn’t. Although he’s young enough he many not have got his target selection and technique nailed down, thus getting caught in the act.
June 16th, 2016 at 12:52 pm
When you see what the father’s values are, you see why his son felt that raping an unconscious women was OK.
June 16th, 2016 at 12:53 pm
Amen to that. He was raised in a household that put accomplishment above humanity! I hope the young man will tell his father how he screwed him up and didn’t teach him how to respect others!
Unfortunately, I have seen and continue to see this type of action in many households. If the victim was my daughter (which I have two), I as a father would be very tempted to lash out at the perp! It wouldn’t accomplish anything because it would not remove the scars that have already been inflicted.
To quote CSN — “Teach your children well!” (CSN — Crosby Stills and Nash — for all you younger folks out there!)
June 16th, 2016 at 12:53 pm
Indeed. Daddy taught his boy how to be pathetic.
June 16th, 2016 at 12:56 pm
Prior criminal history has little to do with sexual offenses. Neither we, nor the judge. can be sure this was his first offense.
I have worked in a state prison system, and in my state sexual offenders are placed in a special prison where they receive intensive therapy. Despite that, they nearly always re-offend. The opinion of many of the therapists who work there is that sexual offenders can not be “cured.”
It’s very possible that this creep’s offense is not his first but simply the one where he was caught in the act and his victim had the strength and courage to prosecute him. He is a danger to society and will remain one for the rest of his life.
Six months in a county jail, where he is unlikely to receive any therapy, won’t begin to touch his issues. Actually, he won’t serve 6 months, he will be released on parol in 3.
June 16th, 2016 at 12:57 pm
Prior criminal history is relevant for crimes of theft, drugs and dealing, and lots of other crimes. However, for rape and other sexual offenses, the first time is just as serious as the times that usually follow. In this case, considering what this creep did to his victim, justice was not served.
June 16th, 2016 at 1:02 pm
Not a lawyer. When I read the father’s comment about 20 minutes of action, I totally interpreted that to mean the 20 minutes of sex which then made me cry even more that sex with an unconscious young woman is “getting some action”. Maybe a misinterpretation on my part.
June 16th, 2016 at 1:03 pm
Father and son, they’re both SICK human beings!
June 16th, 2016 at 1:04 pm
Praskovi#24, Oh, yes, you read that comment just right. That father is equating his son’s violent assault and rape of an unconscious woman with 20 minutes of sex (“action”). Ugh ugh ugh.
Those two men make me so sick to my stomach…
June 16th, 2016 at 1:05 pm
What he was doing in his “White Like Me Statement”, was buying influence with the Judge and it worked. He probably meant something like, “These 20 minutes of stupidity and perverse behavior have utterly destroyed 20 years of good behavior”.
He was just too clueless to understand what he had written and that he never mentioned the victim is a window into the education he gave his son in their “White Like Me Home”.
June 16th, 2016 at 1:07 pm
Dennis#26, Truly disgusting. I would love to thank the gentlemen who came to her rescue. Gives me hope that their kindness and actions will encourage others to do the right thing if they see a wrong being committed.
June 16th, 2016 at 1:08 pm
Praskovi#28, Yes and yes! Saw one of those kind men being interviewed on a newscast last night; wished I could thank him too & give him a big ol’ hug.
June 16th, 2016 at 1:31 pm
They were truly brave. Many of us who step in to help a woman that is being assaulted are turned against;
Even after she is yelling at me to call 911 TWICE, while she is being chased around the house by a drunk on July 4, 2011.
Misogynist nut job from her church, who was also extremely fit from daily long bicycle runs, her hair pulled, her face and arms scratched, flower pits smashed, and later his hand compressing her throat into the lawn (until the sirens were heard, then he started apologizing), causing the neighbor to actually dial 911 first).
I stood there, mouth agape, when she changed her mind in front of the cops. I immediately pointed to the cross above her front door and gave her a very loud speech about lying, and her Christian values.
Of course, the cops were more focused on trying to get my voice to lower, than stopping him from locking me out of the house (in front of them!) while I went out to see if he had been burning any of my personal items after I had locked myself in my room, after he had body slammed me while I was scooping food at dinner.
I had avoided saying ANYTHING to him that entire day, because I already knew what he was capable of when he was drunk. I let them tell their BS backpedal story while I emptied the fridge of my personal items and figured out where on earth I was moving to next, that night, because I KNEW she’d let him back inside our rental house after he got out from jail.
And yes, she did, because he’d set up a tent in her back yard, in the rain. He was already a felon for discharging a firearm in city limits, and was estranged from his parents, who would bring him his birthday presents while he was out.
He was 30 already. Thankfully, and ONLY BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORS CALLED 911 first, they believed me and took him to jail. While in the phone with 911 I told them that I was looking out my upstairs bedroom window, waiting for her to stop struggling while his hand on her throat.
I had my gun, a knife, and chopsticks, so I could shot him, and reopen her airway. I had to hope that her throat would compress, and that he wasn’t going to break her spine instead. The sirens stopped him before she stopped moving.
Normally I’d have tried to physically stop an attacker, but I knew how strong he was, and questioned even my ancient karate training to stop him. I ended up homeless and only after a year or so was she able to finally get rid of him — not sure how.
He was already physically stalking/phone harassing all of her friends. I was sure that he’d kill her or one of them.
June 16th, 2016 at 1:33 pm
I’m sure ugh ugh ugh was the noise he made while jamming dirt into her, too. I’m also quite sure that both of these dolts agree that a woman should get punished for aborting an embryo that is the result of a rape.
June 16th, 2016 at 1:34 pm
The father of this predator has revealed at least part of the reason for his son’s bankrupt behavior. He is a willing enabler. Children of such parents don’t exactly get a moral compass at home.
June 16th, 2016 at 1:35 pm
He had a female friend who wrote a letter that was worse than his idiotic farher’s
“I don’t think it’s fair to base the fate of the next ten + years of his life on the decision of a girl who doesn’t remember anything but the amount she drank to press charges against him. I am not blaming her directly for this, because that isn’t right. But where do we draw the line and stop worrying about being politically correct every second of the day and see that rape on campuses isn’t always because people are rapists.”
http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/06/brock-turners-friend-pens-letter-of-support.html
June 16th, 2016 at 2:56 pm
#9 Grace, sadly the mom is just as culpable as the dad in excusing their son’s bad behavior. She begged for leniency too, and told the just he wouldn’t survive prison:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/stanford-ex-swimmer-brock-turners-mother-begged-judge-for-leniency-in-letter/
/SB
June 16th, 2016 at 6:07 pm
First of all, it is my own opinion, rapists/attackers are probably most often impared by some sort of drugs, alcohol or mental illness.
Surely someone can seem so sweet and still be very capable of snapping at some point, losing the control they have tried so desperately to maintain over some inner demon or that in a moment of presumed opportunity they may take the risk to act upon their temptation assuming they will never be caught… like say behind a dumpster – in the middle of the night – with an unconscious VICTIM.
The pro-Brock supporters really need to stop. To say that one rapist’s actions are in anyway better than another or somehow justifiable or understandable is so crazy to me.
College IS LIFE! It’s sometimes the first time a young adult feels they are finally “adulting”, out of “the nest”, making decisions solely on their own where they aren’t answering to or guided daily by parents.
Not all of them will CHOOSE to make horrible choices and not all of them will CHOOSE to drink, party or behave foolishly. He’s to be punished for RAPE which was his CHOICE that being drunk, high and/or crazy does not excuse.
Here’s my example… (In my state) If a drunk driver wrecks and kills another human, they are still charged with a homicide. They are still a killer, even if it was “an accident”. Being drunk does not excuse their bad decision or inability to operate their vehicle.
Brock has essentially taken her life as she knew it and she will never be able to get that back. He Raped and you suck as a parent or friend if you don’t aide him in grasping the severity of that.
Rather than trying to scapegoat or minimize the rape, get the psychological help he needs. Perhaps then he will beat the odds of other rapists who go on to be repeat offenders. Don’t “Poor Baby” him!
June 16th, 2016 at 6:09 pm
Social Butterfly#34, it seems the whole family including their friends are narcissistic creatures. That guy will rape again. This probably isn’t his first time and he may not get caught again, but he will repeat.
June 16th, 2016 at 6:13 pm
Social Butterfly#34, after reading what the mother said I must say this thing is getting more disgusting to hear by the day.
No wonder this self centered man raped someone, it seems like he was practically encouraged by all of those close to him.
June 16th, 2016 at 6:15 pm
Either a rape happens, or it does not. People are trying to apply nuances to Brock’s criminal act. You either rape someone or you don’t.
If you are a woman trying to justify what he did…….I just don’t get it. I’ll NEVER get it.
June 16th, 2016 at 6:16 pm
No matter what role a woman has in being somewhere or making herself more vulnerable to being a victim, she is still the victim and the rapist still a rapist.
June 16th, 2016 at 6:20 pm
“But where do we draw the line and stop worrying about being politically correct every second of the day and see that rape on campuses isn’t always because people are rapists.”
“…rape on campuses isn’t always because people are rapists.”
Excuse me? I think that’s exactly why rape happens. If you penetrate someone without their consent, it is rape. This is regardless of their character; the action itself is what grants the title “rapist”.
A person is a sum of all of their actions, good and bad. Right now, Brock Turner still needs to acknowledge the bad.
And by the way, according to AlcoholEdu (the program used to educate incoming freshmen at my college about alcohol and drugs), alcohol negates consent.
That means that he was in the wrong regardless of if she gave verbal consent (which I find highly unlikely considering she was out cold when the two Swedish guys showed up and her BAC was three times the legal limit)
June 16th, 2016 at 6:21 pm
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-stanford-rape-case-documents-release-20160610-snap-htmlstory.html
June 16th, 2016 at 6:33 pm
Damn, that was some report Sonja#41. This guy was a predator without a doubt. Any who have any doubt should read that above Los Angeles Times link.
This a brief excerpt:
According to prosecutors, Turner preyed on the victims.
“Even though he was twice rejected by Jane Doe 2, he felt it was acceptable to pursue her sister, Jane Doe 1, later that night when she was alone and inebriated. He purposefully took her to an isolated area, away from all the party goers, to an area that was dimly lit, and assaulted her on the ground behind a dumpster. He deliberately took advantage of the fact that she was so intoxicated that she could not form a sentence, let alone keep her eyes open or stand. This behavior is not typical assaultive behavior that you find on campus, but it is more akin to a predator who is searching for prey. The prey in the case was a young woman who drank too much and was unable to protect herself.”
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June 16th, 2016 at 6:35 pm
Dale#38, I guess they heard you thinking.
‘I made a mistake’: Two women apologize for letters supporting Stanford rapist Brock Turner
http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-87511784/
Kelly Owens, a high school guidance counselor in Ohio, and Leslie Rasmussen, a friend of Turner’s, issued apologies Wednesday for making statements that they said have caused outrage.
June 16th, 2016 at 6:39 pm
That link is so disturbing. He took pictures during the assault of her breasts and texted it to some friends.
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“Also, note that it now appears that a witness found Brock standing over the unconscious victim with a cellphone. He then left the victim, the witness mysteriously didn’t call the police (=he just left an unconscious woman lying there?), Brock returned to the victim and renewed his assault, and then the Swedes showed up.”
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I bet this guy is a serial rapist. He was just too calm about what he was doing.
June 16th, 2016 at 6:42 pm
This is way worst than you think.
Oops–I found some of the details here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3635654/Stanford-rapist-took-photograph-victim-s-breasts-attack-shared-swim-team-friends-deleted-arrest-police-believe.html
June 16th, 2016 at 6:45 pm
Anonymous#43 – Those girls didn’t retract their statements for the right reasons. They did it because of the heavy-duty backlash they got from the public.
Here’s what I got from this letter:
1. Brock is absolutely innocent.
2. This is all a huge misunderstanding.
3. It had to have been a drunken hookup. I wasn’t there, but here’s what I am sure happened.
4. I know 5 guys who probably are rapists.
5. I’m not directly blaming the “victim” but I am blaming her because she was drunk and doesn’t remember what happened.
6. Brock is the innocent victim of political correctness run amok.
But this was during the sentencing phase of the trial. So she’s confident the 12 jurors who convicted him of all three felonies got it wrong.
This must mean that the Swedes were lying, because their account of apprehending Brock differs from his. (Why would they lie?) She also doesn’t mention his history of drug and alcohol use in high school, so either she was unaware of it (although text msgs prove that his sister was aware of it) or she chose to hide it in her character report.
In her apology, after she and her band experienced a heavy-duty backlash, she said a lot of awful stuff and then concluded, “I know Brock was rightfully tried and convicted.”
WHATTTT?????? She was absolutely certain he was innocent. How is she now certain he is guilty on three felony sexual assault charges? This makes no sense to me.
June 16th, 2016 at 6:46 pm
I understand this is clearly not the case in this instance, but it made me wonder who is to blame if 2 drunk people (both conscious, but both with BAL that would indicate lack of ability to provide informed consent) have sex? Is the guy automatically guilty of rape in that case?
June 16th, 2016 at 6:47 pm
With any luck this rapist will regain consciousness after he has been viciously raped while in prison. Sounds fair and works for me.
June 16th, 2016 at 6:49 pm
Dale#38, I wonder if those women who support this creep would feel the same way if it was her who woke up in a police station, without her underwear, and not remembering what just happened to her; and then had to read in the newspaper that she was being raped.
Hmmm… I wonder if she’d just give him a pat on the back and say “it’s ok buddy, you were just being an idiot. I deserve it for drinking too much.”
Moron.
The thing is, I’ve done this myself: I’ve been wasted, I’ve had wasted men around me. They’ve never tried to rape me. Even when we’ve been making out. He was way more aware than she was, if the first thing he did when someone confronted him was try to run away. Obviously he knew what he did. If he didn’t he would’ve stood there or laid there half unconscious as well.
Yes, one should take care of oneself. Nobody is watching over you. That doesn’t mean that the moment you let your guard down, you grant rights over your body to others. Just because it happens, it doesn’t mean it’s right. If you are breaking the law, it doesn’t matter how sweet or perfect you’ve been up until then. If you’re found guilty, with enough evidence, tough luck.
June 16th, 2016 at 6:51 pm
Justin#47
Here’s the bottom line: If your BAC is so high that you lack the ability to consent, it is also too high to perform sexually, if you are a male. If a man can maintain an erection and use it, he is not too drunk to be unable to consent to sex. Because we are talking about people who cannot speak, stand up or stay conscious.
June 16th, 2016 at 6:53 pm
When I read what happened to the victim. It brought back lots of memories. The thing is, I’ve done this myself: I’ve been wasted, I’ve had wasted men around me. They’ve never tried to rape me. Even when we’ve been making out.
He was way more aware than she was, if the first thing he did when someone confronted him was try to run away. Obviously he knew what he did. If he didn’t he would’ve stood there or laid there half unconscious as well.
Yes, one should take care of oneself. Nobody is watching over you. That doesn’t mean that the moment you let your guard down, you grant rights over your body to others.
Just because it happens, it doesn’t mean it’s right. If you are breaking the law, it doesn’t matter how sweet or perfect you’ve been up until then. If you’re found guilty, with enough evidence, tough luck.
June 16th, 2016 at 6:54 pm
What some people keep forgetting: the fact that she was drunk was not an open invitation for sex. And that he does deserve punishment for his actions.
June 17th, 2016 at 12:55 am
And the other thing people forget is 2 swedes who were passers by identified how wrong it was and even chased him down, now that I read dads letter, her letter and read the news report…this dude clearly preyed on his victim and sadly she’s so right, if it wasn’t her it would’ve been someone else.
Thank you to all who posted links.
For all the self righteous wankers who write in about their right to judge women as drunk slutty or anything else, get real…you have the right to grow a pair and be like these Swedish men. Wrong is wrong stop telling yourselves stories about what you (or she) ‘deserve’
Luv, Zen Lill
June 17th, 2016 at 4:46 am
Thank you Zen Lill#53. I was raped 9 years ago when I was a freshman. I almost didn’t graduate. The guy was a big athlete and I was too afraid to accuse him.
He is a pro athlete now. The world just doesn’t know what we women have to endure to exist in this world. I am a very successful lawyer, but every now and then I remember what he did to me.
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